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Tamponi did a couple of Ennio scores from memory. Certainly two or three at least. Cant remember without checking
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Is anyone missing the bad edits, etc? 
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Sounds fabulous
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sounds perfect, thanks quartet!!! the release of the year!!!
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I think the film score is about 1/2 minutes longer. I'll check a bit later. The notes say things like 'the drum rolls weren't used'. So a fee secondsnhere n there.maybe.
Update
Album= 37.48
Score=38.50
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Dont know Laurent, but for sound alone its worth it.
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Dont know Laurent, but for sound alone its worth it.
Update
Album= 37.48
Score=38.50
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Sep 12, 2022 - 7:21 AM
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danbeck
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I love this score and the Quartet release is certainly the best and "definitive" release (unless the original masters are found someday).
The album never sounded better, Chris Malone did his magic with whatever he had to work with, with a much more clean and fuller sound and providing clean endings to "The Talisman" (that in the LP Suites was cross faded with Entering The Castle) and "Temple Raid" (that in the LP Suites ended in a fade out).
The "film" tracks in mono are in good enough sound but unfortunately the additional bits of music can not be merged in the main program as the sound quality difference is too jarring. So the presentation with the full score as used in the movie in mono was the best possible presentation for a consistent sound for the previously unreleased parts.
The album tracks "The Chamber of Lights", "Treasure In The Cavern" and "Sonja Defeats The Queen" were not used in the movie. Taking into account the duration of these tracks and the version of The Talisman without chorus ("The Talisman II") plus the few tracks that are used partially in the movie and are complete in the album (Sorcery, Sonja And Kalidor, A Fair Fight), the 38 min. album includes aprox. 8 min. of music that are not in the film tracks.
The 39 min. "film versions" (excluding aprox. 1 min of looped sections on "Magic Call II", "Sonja And Kalidor Enter the Castle" and "Medieval Dawn") includes 8 min of previously unrelased music. Some of it are variations of material that was included in the album ("Sonja Saves The Prince" is a variation of "Sonja Vs. Britag"/"Duel I" with a different ending, "The Talisman Arrives" is a variation with added snare drums of "The Gate Of Britag"/"Sonja Arrives" with an extended ending that was faded from the album).
The more significant previously unreleased music in the film tracks that were not in the album are the stinger and timpani roll start of "Guedren Attack", the last 25 seconds of "Varna Getting Away"/"Broken Promise", the last minute of "Sonja is Watched" (a variation of Guedren's theme) and the last 30 seconds of "A Way Out"/begining of "Silence".
N. @EdG: "Silence" is not a version of Sonja Defeats the Queen, but the music in the movie for the begining of the duel between Sonja and the Queen (the final section of which was included in the end of the album track "Fighting The Soldiers"). "Sonja Defeats The Queen" has a similar mid section but I suppose it would be used for the final duel in the chamber of the candles, where Sonja kills Guedren (and this scene was left unscored in the film).
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Sep 14, 2022 - 2:10 AM
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Graham Watt
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This arrived the other day with my order of turnips from the supermarket across the road. The price of turnips is extortionate. RED SONJA was cheaper. And I can listen to it again. You can only eat the same turnip once.
Some inappropriately premature observations/questions - I "had" the original Varese LP but had to give it away in adoption in 1990, so that's at least 32 years since I last heard it, but you know that a youngster's memory is generally infallible. Well, this was a COMPLETELY different listen for me. So I'm wondering about the old Varese LP (and later CD). I know that it was presented as two long suites, although it was really just a lot of separate unlabelled tracks. I surmise that that presentation was not in film order (just because in the liner notes it says that the later Perseverence release, and the new Quartet, follow the film order). So, asking politely though it may sound a harsh question - Is the "Album Stereo Presentation" on the new Quartet just really the old Perseverence presentation? Leaving aside things like additional 30-second tracks and remastering for the moment...
And again, bearing in mind that I've only heard this once so far... I got the impression that it didn't flow quite as well as I had remembered from that old Varese presentation. I'm assuming that someone at Varese back in the day had rearranged the order of the tracks for an optimal listening experience. If that's the case, does anyone think that the non-film order worked better musically?
I really ought not to post prematurely, but I have so little time to do this that when I get the moment I can't resist the urge... Do Tracks 11 and 13 (I think) have a rather abrupt fade-out at the end?
Shite, is that the time? Seeya later folks! I do love this score by the way.
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Do Tracks 11 and 13 (I think) have a rather abrupt fade-out at the end?
No.
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Sep 14, 2022 - 6:12 AM
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danbeck
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Some inappropriately premature observations/questions - I "had" the original Varese LP but had to give it away in adoption in 1990, so that's at least 32 years since I last heard it, but you know that a youngster's memory is generally infallible. Well, this was a COMPLETELY different listen for me. So I'm wondering about the old Varese LP (and later CD). I know that it was presented as two long suites, although it was really just a lot of separate unlabelled tracks. I surmise that that presentation was not in film order (just because in the liner notes it says that the later Perseverence release, and the new Quartet, follow the film order). So, asking politely though it may sound a harsh question - Is the "Album Stereo Presentation" on the new Quartet just really the old Perseverence presentation? Leaving aside things like additional 30-second tracks and remastering for the moment...
Yes, this presentation is the same as Perseverance's presentation, spliting the tracks from the suites and reordering them in "film order" (but smothing the abrupt endings of some tracks, eliminating the fade out ending of "Temple Raid", correcting the mistake of the repetition of "Entering The Castle" and relocating the source cue "Sorcery" at the end of the program).
And again, bearing in mind that I've only heard this once so far... I got the impression that it didn't flow quite as well as I had remembered from that old Varese presentation. I'm assuming that someone at Varese back in the day had rearranged the order of the tracks for an optimal listening experience. If that's the case, does anyone think that the non-film order worked better musically?
For me the main difference on the listening experience was that the LP/suites started with the Main Theme right away (it started with "Varna's Death" then the "Main Titles" then the "End Titles" and then "Fighting The Soldiers", presenting the three main themes of the score upfront (the Main Title, the love theme and the battle theme).
I also think that it started stronger (at least I was used to it) except for the early inclusion of the End Titles.
One of the issues I have with the film order is that the variations on the love theme are presented in close succession on the last half of the program.
For my playlist I reprogramed the tracks as follows, my main goal was to start the program in the same way as the suites and give more space between the variations of the love theme (retaining some of the suites flow that I was so used to):
7, 2, 3, 10, 11, 1, 13, 9, 8, 5, 12, 20, 4, 15, 14, 16, 6, 17, 18, 19.
If you want to replicate the exact LP/Suites order you must program:
Side A (Suite I): 7, 2, 19, 10, 12, 1, 13
Side B (Suite II): 20, 4, 11, 16, 14, 9, 8, 5, 17, 6, 15, 18
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