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What the HELL, Kenneth?? 
Yavar
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What the HELL, Kenneth??
Yavar
I´m speechless, completely heartbroken, Yavar. Is impossible for me to even THINK of the possibility that these two could ever fall out. They are like brothers, Branagh stayed multiple times in Doyle cottage in Scotland trough the decades, went to visit him almost daily when Doyle was ill in the hospital, hell, Branagh even started Doyle film career!. The two have known each other since 1987, for god´s sake.
The fact that Doyle didnt want to give any more details worries me. Perhaps he´s angry?.
Well, Doyle didnt do In The Bleak Midwinter (1995), which had an original score by Jimmy Yuill (Doyle appeared in a cameo in that film), so maybe there is hope.
Still, this is very worrying. Another legendary director/composer partnership has ended?.
Fuck, fuck, fuck... (excuse my language).
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Was it because of the coronation?.
No.
Doyle said this straight as an answer to question during 16. Film Music Festival in Krakow, Poland, 2 weeks ago. He said he was available to compose music for this film, but that was a director's artistic choice. And Doyle did not want to go into more details.
I was there and I've heard his answer.
English info about Doyle's monographic concert during 16. FMF - https://fmf.fm/news/331
Don't doubt that he gave such an answer. But let's be honest, politics is at play here as well with this choice. Welcome to modern Hollywood.
But then why politics didnt interfiere with Branagh giving his friend Pat Doyle the job on Thor and Jack Ryan?. Or the previous Poirot films?.
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Was it because of the coronation?.
No.
Doyle said this straight as an answer to question during 16. Film Music Festival in Krakow, Poland, 2 weeks ago. He said he was available to compose music for this film, but that was a director's artistic choice. And Doyle did not want to go into more details.
I was there and I've heard his answer.
English info about Doyle's monographic concert during 16. FMF - https://fmf.fm/news/331
Don't doubt that he gave such an answer. But let's be honest, politics is at play here as well with this choice. Welcome to modern Hollywood.
But then why politics didnt interfiere with Branagh giving his friend Pat Doyle the job on Thor and Jack Ryan?. Or the previous Poirot films?.
Because the type of politics I am referring to had not taken over Hollywood at that point, so films like Thor and Jack Ryan etc would not have been affected. Plus Gudnadóttir only became all the rage from Joker onwards. This might not be the factor for Gudnadóttir getting the gig, but it was a factor when you think of all the other composers that could have been chosen.
Interesting. Could you elaborate on such politics please? (I completely understand if you dont want to).
As for Gudnadottir, I completely agree with you on the reasons of her hiring.
I´m terribly sad because Doyle and Branagh were an illustrious partnership, and they go wayyy back.
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Jun 14, 2023 - 3:19 PM
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Was it because of the coronation?.
No.
Doyle said this straight as an answer to question during 16. Film Music Festival in Krakow, Poland, 2 weeks ago. He said he was available to compose music for this film, but that was a director's artistic choice. And Doyle did not want to go into more details.
I was there and I've heard his answer.
English info about Doyle's monographic concert during 16. FMF - https://fmf.fm/news/331
Don't doubt that he gave such an answer. But let's be honest, politics is at play here as well with this choice. Welcome to modern Hollywood.
But then why politics didnt interfiere with Branagh giving his friend Pat Doyle the job on Thor and Jack Ryan?. Or the previous Poirot films?.
Because the type of politics I am referring to had not taken over Hollywood at that point, so films like Thor and Jack Ryan etc would not have been affected. Plus Gudnadóttir only became all the rage from Joker onwards. This might not be the factor for Gudnadóttir getting the gig, but it was a factor when you think of all the other composers that could have been chosen.
Interesting. Could you elaborate on such politics please? (I completely understand if you dont want to).
As for Gudnadottir, I completely agree with you on the reasons of her hiring.
I´m terribly sad because Doyle and Branagh were an illustrious partnership, and they go wayyy back.
With respect to you and to MODs, and the other readers I will decline to go into the politics argument further, but I think you know my argument. It makes no sense that Doyle did not get this nor that Gudnadóttir is scoring this. It is like choosing the Junk(ie XL) over John Powell for say Solo
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Well, if “politics” means “Hollywood politics” along the lines of Hildur having a recent Oscar win and being a critical darling, and Patrick never having won an Oscar… that’s a shitty reason to ditch your friend and longtime talented collaborator.
And if the “politics” argument is that Hildur was hired because of her gender alone, well… Rachel Portman, Debbie Wiseman or Anne Dudley all could have knocked this out of the park. You want someone younger? Amelia Warner would have been quite interesting. Someone not British, for whatever reason? Dear lord would I love to hear what (recent Oscar shortlister!) Lolita Ritmanis could do on this.
But yeah, without knowing more details this comes across like Branagh ditching a longtime friend and collaborator for Hollywood flavor of the month.
Yavar
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Was it because of the coronation?.
No.
Doyle said this straight as an answer to question during 16. Film Music Festival in Krakow, Poland, 2 weeks ago. He said he was available to compose music for this film, but that was a director's artistic choice. And Doyle did not want to go into more details.
I was there and I've heard his answer.
English info about Doyle's monographic concert during 16. FMF - https://fmf.fm/news/331
Don't doubt that he gave such an answer. But let's be honest, politics is at play here as well with this choice. Welcome to modern Hollywood.
But then why politics didnt interfiere with Branagh giving his friend Pat Doyle the job on Thor and Jack Ryan?. Or the previous Poirot films?.
Because the type of politics I am referring to had not taken over Hollywood at that point, so films like Thor and Jack Ryan etc would not have been affected. Plus Gudnadóttir only became all the rage from Joker onwards. This might not be the factor for Gudnadóttir getting the gig, but it was a factor when you think of all the other composers that could have been chosen.
Interesting. Could you elaborate on such politics please? (I completely understand if you dont want to).
As for Gudnadottir, I completely agree with you on the reasons of her hiring.
I´m terribly sad because Doyle and Branagh were an illustrious partnership, and they go wayyy back.
With respect to you and to MODs, and the other readers I will decline to go into the politics argument further, but I think you know my argument. It makes no sense that Doyle did not get this nor that Gudnadóttir is scoring this. It is like choosing the Junk(ie XL) over John Powell for say Solo
Don´t worry, I completely understand (and agree). To close the matter they (the politics) were on full display last year and yet Doyle did score "Nile" for Branagh, so it´s all very strange.
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Well, if “politics” means “Hollywood politics” along the lines of Hildur having a recent Oscar win and being a critical darling, and Patrick never having won an Oscar… that’s a shitty reason to ditch your friend and longtime talented collaborator.
And if the “politics” argument is that Hildur was hired because of her gender alone, well… Rachel Portman, Debbie Wiseman or Anne Dudley all could have knocked this out of the park. You want someone younger? Amelia Warner would have been quite interesting. Someone not British, for whatever reason? Dear lord would I love to hear what (recent Oscar shortlister!) Lolita Ritmanis could do on this.
But yeah, without knowing more details this comes across like Branagh ditching a longtime friend and collaborator for Hollywood flavor of the month.
Yavar
Completely agree. And yet this "Branagh ditching a longtime friend and collaborator" it´s VERY hard to believe for me. I dont want to. Something else must have happened.
Perhaps due to the box office failure of "Death on the Nile" Branagh has lost some artistic power over this one. For example, this installment is not shot on 65mm like the previous two, the tone is very different and the aspect ratio is 1:85:1.
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Having said all that, Gudnadottir is classically trained (like Doyle), and I´m sure she could pull off a more traditional, thematic, non experimental score if asked.
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This third Poirot film is supposed to be very different, and Branagh seems intent on making it more of a horror film. Another Doyle score would probably have signaled „same“. Gudnadottir is a logical fit to do something else, and she is currently en vogue. So…
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There is another possibility.
Maybe, just maybe, Branagh himself wanted to try something different musically for this installment, and that´s it. He doesn´t neccesarily had to argue with a close friend in the process. Perhaps Branagh and Doyle are ok, reading this, and thinking film score fans are way too dramatic.
Just a thought.
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I am very excited to hold off my opinions on the score until I hear it. I quite like Miss Gudnadóttir. As for why she was assigned and not Doyle, I would wager it most has to do with Branagh losing some creative control following diminishing returns. If Branagh and Doyle do not work together again following this movie, then it is clear it was a larger issue between friends. And those happen too. My Dad refused to talk to his close friend of multiple decades because the friend thought to put more habaneros in a competition chili they made together. Story is that my father tipped the pot over and walked away in a fury. They never spoke to one another again for as long as my Father lived. And he was our neighbor. Maybe Doyle put too much paprika on the deviled eggs at a potluck dinner which Branagh hosted.
Great post, love the humorous take on it (perhaps the best way to see it).
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I think after the BS with Chris MacQuarrie just abandoning his talented collaborator and longtime friend Joe Kraemer, for Lorne Balfe… yeah maybe we are all a bit sensitive. I’ll keep an open mind about the score but I can’t help being upset.
Yavar
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Maybe, just maybe, Branagh himself wanted to try something different musically for this installment, and that´s it. He doesn´t neccesarily had to argue with a close friend in the process. Perhaps Branagh and Doyle are ok, reading this, and thinking film score fans are way too dramatic.
Just a thought.
There always seems to be a deeper, darker conspiracy, huh? We are a dramatic bunch. But we keep Mr. Branagh inspired since his muse William Shakespeare has passed. 
Oh yeah, we are. After all, as a mad, life long fan of both Branagh (very underrated filmmaker in my book) and Doyle, I didn´t take this well at all at first, as you can read. And despite my attempts of racionalice it, I´m still worried.
Let´s see if the next Branagh film will have Doyle on scoring duties. If it doesn´t, we will know something else happened here.
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