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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Nice review. A man who gets it!

I'm not so sure about how much it has to do with me getting it as much as it got me! In the narration I found a lot of relatability, especially when I think about playing video games. You'll be so laser focused on completing your objective and task only to be either sidetracked by something else (especially if you've play an "open world" game) or you will mess up after a funny little mistake yet still find a way to improvise your play method so as to best avoid that dreaded "game over" screen. I found a lot of the little details in the movie fun to latch onto. I also got to see this in the theater where the amazing sound design washed over me quite well and I was very focused on the movie. I also watched it at home later this past weekend but was in a state to observe a few more details at my leisure. I do wonder how the film plays for just a simple home viewing on first watch? I usually despise these Netflix movies as I know that the company see them as "content" and they seem tailor-made to just have on in the background to ignore and consume until it actively asks you if you are still bothering to watch. I did not enjoy David Fincher's previous film, Mank.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I agree with the Chicago Tribune review, it is a film about nothing, pretty much a technically adroit venue for violence.
The most accomplished part of the film is the opening credits, which are terrific, but the film that followed was disappointing.


Spoiler-esque follows
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And a central theme of the movie that motivated this character makes no sense whatsoever. This is a soul-less killer, so he would not have people he loves at his house, nor would he go on a revenge tour besides, it is essentially contradictory, which is perhaps what they wanted, but it just does not sell me.

And that smattering of texting and websites pop outs on the screen, that is just terrible stuff, I cannot stand it. Very Lifetime movie of the week stuff here.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/sc-ent-the-killer-netflix-rev-1103-20231102-zqv6mrhsbbdddjfuugz7tgfhce-story.html

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

joan hue, I'd posit that one of director David Fincher's biggest thematic tropes is characters who aren't what they think they are. That template applies almost across the board to the main (and smaller) characters in most of his films.

As seriously as the situations in The Killer cry out to be taken seriously, I'd argue this is an element of the movie's satire, as our protagonist is neither as competant or as moral as he thinks he is.

The satire is he's another amoral hatchet-wielder in a world of hatchet-wielders, the only limitation to the all-around pretension being indicated by the financial chart behind the big fish played by Arliss Howard in the climactic scene.

I loved Howard's Sub Pop records t-shirt. That says a lot.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


Spoiler-esque follows
.........................
And a central theme of the movie that motivated this character makes no sense whatsoever. This is a soul-less killer, so he would not have people he loves at his house, nor would he go on a revenge tour besides, it is essentially contradictory, which is perhaps what they wanted, but it just does not sell me.


A soulless killer... who listens to the Smiths? I had asked a similar question on another board in response to a fella being confused why the character would know the name of male sitcom leads from the classic syndication era, but is there some written rule that a hired assassin cannot have a domestic partner that he cares for? To quote my wife who grabbed my shoulder when we discovered that his life is more than what he tells us in narration: "I like a man who will fight for who he loves."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

yeah, still does not work for me, sells as Lifetime Movie

I imagine a lot of soul-less killers listen to lots of music, including Smiths, some, even film scores. I mean, the devil was apparently quite a composer

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I've never seen a Lifetime movie so I don't know how they compare to this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2023 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

joan hue, I'd posit that one of director David Fincher's biggest thematic tropes is characters who aren't what they think they are. That template applies almost across the board to the main (and smaller) characters in most of his films.

As seriously as the situations in The Killer cry out to be taken seriously, I'd argue this is an element of the movie's satire, as our protagonist is neither as competant or as moral as he thinks he is.


Hey BornOfAJackal, I've never considered the thematic tropes you mention in Fincher movies. Those tropes certainly fit The Killer.

I agree the protagonist isn't as competent as I thinks he is. I'm confused when you say he isn't as moral as he thinks he is. Because of his internal dialogue, I thought he never considered himself moral, just amoral. He never asks why he kills certain people. He doesn't care who his victims are. He just takes the money. Maybe I missed something.

We are all bringing different views to this movie, and that should be fine! Some people love this movie, some hate it, and some are like I am. I really liked parts of it, but after the glowing reviews, I expected more emotional engagement.
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P.S. I'd just like to add that I think nuts-score and BornOfAJackal are amazing writers. Both of you display a written-word fluency and vocabulary that I envy.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2023 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I do not hate it, I have seen far worse films. But it sells itself, and is being reviewed as though it is a much higher end accomplished film than it actually is. In reality this is a fairly run of the mill streaming feature, perhaps technically well put together with a few good scenes, and some good actors. But there is really nothing remarkable here. And it has some pretty violent content besides. It fits in with what has become the increasing glut of streaming features the past few years, somewhat better than they used to be, but unexceptional.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2023 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yes, you told us. 5 times now.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2023 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Just saw it, and absolutely LOVED it! I've always been a sucker for mainstream revenge thrillers, whether it's Jason Statham or Liam Neeson or Denzel Washington, but to see the relatively familiar tropes molded through the lens of David Fincher's vision and ambition, lifts everything up a few notches. All this complaining about voiceover, I don't get -- yes, there's a bit, especially in the amazing opening scene of the film, but it was surprisingly silent, allowing us to extrapolate and experience the worlds he inhabits on our own.

I thought the score worked well in context (mirroring the monomaniacal drive of Fassbender's character), although it's not something I would listen to alone (as opposed to their work on GONE GIRL or MANK).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2023 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Yes, you told us. 5 times now.

I will probably go for 6, Bill

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2023 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I agree the protagonist isn't as competent as I thinks he is. I'm confused when you say he isn't as moral as he thinks he is. Because of his internal dialogue, I thought he never considered himself moral, just amoral. He never asks why he kills certain people. He doesn't care who his victims are. He just takes the money. Maybe I missed something.

You're not missing anything, joan. In my book, when you've accepted the call to kill for money, you've tossed out any remaining shreds of your own morality. To then turn around and target those who target you for botching a job (however unintentionally) doesn't redeem you. Maybe in a mid-20th-century cowboy movie it does, but not this one.

This movie, to me, satirizes the vanity that many competant but shallow people mistake for moral backbone. The "I'm taking what's mine and I'm right to do so" mentality that characterizes too many arrived and wannabe public figures. The selling of anti-humanism as humanism.

All of it warned of by George Orwell.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2023 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Thank you for the compliment, Joan. I'm all too unworthy of it but I appreciate your kindness.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2023 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

You're not missing anything, joan

At my elderly age, that is good to know and thanks for your insightful explanation.

nuts_score, you are most certainly worthy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2023 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

"The Killer is really just a modern version of a vintage B movie. Mention this to Fincher and Walker, and both will agree that that's exactly what they were going for. The director recalls going to Netflix before they began production and telling them, 'Im going to do it stripped-down. This is a Don Siegel movie. It's a fucking Michael Winner movie. It's Charley Varrick, Get Carter, The Mechanic. This is meant to be ballistic.' Even the rapid-fire credits sequence that opens the film was meant to evoke the tough-guy procedurals of yesteryear. 'The style can be described as: a Quinn-Martin production,' he says, bursting into laughter. 'It's Mannix chic.'"

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/david-fincher-the-killer-interview-michael-fassbender-netflix-1234865655/

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2023 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Interesting. And yes, I can see that, what they were trying to achieve. Compared to most films these days, it was quite lean n mean. How those 70s films were.
But comparing to classics of the era is a bit of a risky route. Although i liked The Killer, the biggest difference for me was the films he references had sizzling quotable dialogue. Cant say The Killer script did. It was functional and believable and lean but you couldnt say it was memorable.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2023 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

It helps to have had decades worth of re-watches to remember dialogue from any movie. This one just came out! Only time and it's intended audience over that time could determine if quotability should be held in such high standard.

I doubt anyone walked out of Charley Varrick in October 1973 quoting to his friends, "The problem is the big gorilla in the maroon car who's trying to kill me!"

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2023 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

It helps to have had decades worth of re-watches to remember dialogue from any movie. This one just came out! Only time and it's intended audience over that time could determine if quotability should be held in such high standard.

I doubt anyone walked out of Charley Varrick in October 1973 quoting to his friends, "The problem is the big gorilla in the maroon car who's trying to kill me!"


I did. "Didn't figure you for Clint Eastwood" was one I remember on first viewing. And joe Don baker's lines were glorious. "Sonny Boy, you and me are just not communicating"
There's nothing like that in The Killer.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the film but 20 years n 5 watches ain't gonna make the dialogue any more memorable.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2023 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

We'll we'll have to check into this thread in 20 years and 5 re-watches!

If you want a good new quotable movie, my wife and I already have a handful of phrases we repeat to each other just based upon De Niro's character in Killers of the Flower Moon!

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2023 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

On the list, nuts.

 
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