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Apr 4, 2023 - 5:11 PM
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WillemAfo
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B&TB and Cinderella were before the diversity mandate and well Pinocchio, they shoe-horned in and swapped where they could.
Just to be clear, the reason why you're getting called out for terming this a "diversity mandate" is because you're conflating "inclusiveness" with "annoying, low-quality social media content highlighting race and gender issues".
Inclusiveness is nothing more than a reflection of the constructive sociological trend to include the broad level of diversity that has always existed in the world but has been historically squashed socially, politically, and legislatively.
In the 1950s and 1960s, the Civil Rights Movement was happening so guess what, there were a lot of films that responded to that, such as "Island In The Sun", "The Defiant Ones", "To Kill A Mockingbird", "In The Heat Of The Night", or "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner". Actors like Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier weren't there because of a "diversity mandate", they were there because Black/African American stories were important to society.
With the end of the Vietnam War in 1975, and the Cultural Revolution in China in 1976 resulting in the relaxing of China's emigration policies in 1978, suddenly there was a new wave of Chinese immigrants to the United States along with Vietnamese and Cambodian immigrants, and a lot of anti-Asian sentiment in the US. Asian-American activists countered that and guess what, you suddenly had a wave of Asian-American films like "Chan Is Missing", "Who Killed Vincent Chin", "The Killing Fields", or "A Great Wall", all the way up to stuff like "The Joy Luck Club" or "The Wedding Banquet".
With the outbreak of AIDs in the 80s and its fear-based attribution to people who were gay, you had a lot of gay-issues films such as "Parting Glances", "The Wedding Banquet" again (doing double-duty here), "Longtime Companion", "My Beautiful Laundrette", right up to "Philadelphia".
That's just the past 60 years...
Again and again, these films aren't fitting a "diversity mandate", they're reflecting society's values at large at their given times.
The period in which we're living now is filled with global attacks on every marginalized ethnicity, race, and gender identity possible, and its amplified by social media. So of course we're going to see more inclusive stories everywhere. And yes, we will also get annoying people inflaming issues on social media too.
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I've just complained to my local council cos I've noticed recently (last 4 or 5 years?) A LOT of people walking around ON THE STREET & IN SHOPS who don't look EXACTLY LIKE ME!!!
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I hope they fix things right away!
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Apr 5, 2023 - 5:49 AM
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Ado
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the percent of white population in the US is in decline, and the percents of all others are increasing. That explains the hysterical politics going on for the past several years and the changes in media. Personally, the increase in non white population does not bother me at all, my neighborhood and the stores in my area are very diverse. The changes in movies and TV are only naturally going to reflect the changes in demographics. If changes in the castings help some kid imagine themselves as a princess, or a queen or knight, whatever, well, that is probably a good thing- that we cannot really measure.
Like some crazy people in the country right now, we could stick our head in the sand and pretend that it is not so, or delude ourselves into thinking that voting for a certain person will make the nation go back to looking like Leave it to Beaver. But, I got news for everyone, the change is not going to be reversed, in fact, whites will be the minority in a few short years.
Overall, I think the reboots are terrible ideas, no matter the casting quibbles.
When they do not make money, they will stop making them.
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Apr 5, 2023 - 7:00 AM
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Ado
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Like Ive said before, there's been diversity on film since the 60's. Its nothing new. Every decade as the population changes so do their representation in media. African Americans in the 60' and 70's, Hispanics and Asians in the 80's, Indians and Middle Easterns in the 2000's. If you believe you have to "see" yourself on screen to relate to a character then that's really sad and actually shows an inability to except others that don't look like YOU. How could I relate to a little wooden boy? I'm not made of wood!
Yes, I know what you are saying Solium.
I just always put a curve on these issues, since I am a white guy, I am fully willing to admit that I do not understand how some people grow up in a world that they feel does not reflect them in media. The fact remains the classic Cinderella, Belle, whatever classic animated character, will always be a gorgeous white woman in my mind, that is just the way that it is. I think that the invention of Moana is excellent, because it is a totally original story, and it gives a new, organic and true platform for non white characters. It just makes it all a lot fresher and truer and genuine, and this is what the studios should create, original stories in diversity, not recast and reboot.
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Apr 5, 2023 - 7:04 AM
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Solium
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the percent of white population in the US is in decline, and the percents of all others are increasing. That explains the hysterical politics going on for the past several years and the changes in media. Personally, the increase in non white population does not bother me at all, my neighborhood and the stores in my area are very diverse. The changes in movies and TV are only naturally going to reflect the changes in demographics. If changes in the castings help some kid imagine themselves as a princess, or a queen or knight, whatever, well, that is probably a good thing- that we cannot really measure.
Like some crazy people in the country right now, we could stick our head in the sand and pretend that it is not so, or delude ourselves into thinking that voting for a certain person will make the nation go back to looking like Leave it to Beaver. But, I got news for everyone, the change is not going to be reversed, in fact, whites will be the minority in a few short years.
Overall, I think the reboots are terrible ideas, no matter the casting quibbles.
When they do not make money, they will stop making them.
The real world is different than Hollywood. I work with African Americans, Indians, Ethiopians, Colombians, Hispanics. Some are very nice people and excellent workers others are not. Everyone is an individual. (and that goes for the white workers too!)
Hollywood isn't writing characters with redeeming qualities anymore, they just virtue singling. And they'll take a black actor off a movie poster in a split second if they believe it will hurt over seas sales in other countries. So their hypocrites too.
Aliens was a pretty diverse film with African Americans, Hispanics, females in command positions and it was full or rich interesting characters. Did anyone complain back then? No, because diversity wasn't made into a political hot topic back then by Hollywood.
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Apr 5, 2023 - 7:10 AM
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Solium
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Like Ive said before, there's been diversity on film since the 60's. Its nothing new. Every decade as the population changes so do their representation in media. African Americans in the 60' and 70's, Hispanics and Asians in the 80's, Indians and Middle Easterns in the 2000's. If you believe you have to "see" yourself on screen to relate to a character then that's really sad and actually shows an inability to except others that don't look like YOU. How could I relate to a little wooden boy? I'm not made of wood!
Yes, I know what you are saying Solium.
I just always put a curve on these issues, since I am a white guy, I am fully willing to admit that I do not understand how some people grow up in a world that they feel does not reflect them in media. The fact remains the classic Cinderella, Belle, whatever classic animated character, will always be a gorgeous white woman in my mind, that is just the way that it is. I think that the invention of Moana is excellent, because it is a totally original story, and it gives a new, organic and true platform for non white characters. It just makes it all a lot fresher and truer and genuine, and this is what the studios should create, original stories in diversity, not recast and reboot.
If its done right like with Moana then I totally agree with you. Its a beautiful film. I love the characters, art design and music. Its truly one of my favorite films.
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I take it Solium didn't see the videos of black girls in tears when they saw the LITTLE MERMAID trailer. Great, beaming smiles saying "She looks like me!"
That's important.
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Um, really. Okay. So black girls couldn't relate to Ariel because shes white? Or Anna? Or Princess Jasmine? Or Pocahontas? Or Moana? Guess they were in tears when they saw Princess and the Frog too. If this is the mentality of kids growing up nowadays something is terribly wrong. Its ironic too as so many here claim white people can't accept other races and other people.
Did anyone say that? Kids of colour clearly relate to white characters because they still watch all those films and buy all the merchandise and cosplay as those characters, but who wouldn't be excited to see themselves on screen? It clearly matters to them that they, too, can be part of those universal stories, instead of being partitioned off, SEGREGATED IF YOU WILL, into their own stories.
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Apr 5, 2023 - 8:02 AM
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Solium
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Um, really. Okay. So black girls couldn't relate to Ariel because shes white? Or Anna? Or Princess Jasmine? Or Pocahontas? Or Moana? Guess they were in tears when they saw Princess and the Frog too. If this is the mentality of kids growing up nowadays something is terribly wrong. Its ironic too as so many here claim white people can't accept other races and other people.
Did anyone say that? Kids of colour clearly relate to white characters because they still watch all those films and buy all the merchandise and cosplay as those characters, but who wouldn't be excited to see themselves on screen? It clearly matters to them that they, too, can be part of those universal stories, instead of being partitioned off, SEGREGATED IF YOU WILL, into their own stories.
You act like we've never had minority role models or characters until 2023. For decades we've been teaching kids YOU are the most important person in the world, YOU are a victim, YOU are repressed. Its no wonder XYZ's are offended and outraged by everything nowadays. Its completely unhinged to be so self absorbed.
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Its no wonder XYZ's are offended and outraged by everything nowadays. Its completely unhinged to be so self absorbed.
Who are the people bitching, whinging and crying about a black mermaid or girl Ghostbusters again?
Seems like if you're the one complaining about the colour of an animated princess, you might be the snowflake...
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