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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2024 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   seinmind   (Member)

I can see an anniversary being used as an argument to convince a studio (or other right holders).

I believe on a podcast, album producer Neil Bulk seemed to indicate (at least in the last batch of Let Die and Octopussy) that it was EON telling MGM about certain films with anniversary significance and then MGM asking La-La Land (who then hires Bulk) if they wanted to do them.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2024 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

You Only Live Twice
This is probably low down on the priority list, given that the 2003 CD saw all previously unreleased material released, with the exception of the instrumental of the main title (Nancy Sinatra recorded her vocals separately). It could be remastered again though, as per Live & Let Die, but it sounds doubtful that there’s any new or alternate material to be shared.


Though I’m not sure that there aren’t other cues to be released. One of my favorite cues is the death of bond. It begins with the specter agent reading the newspaper headline at James Bond is dead, looking with the binoculars and then seeing the funeral with the body being dumped into the sea off the ship. City of Prague on The Ultimate James Bond covers parts of it or some might argue most of it on our album on back in action, but it’s still not all there.

I think Barry fans would go for remastering if that’s possible and a couple of missing cues.

PS-Im also after the missing cue from Battlestar Galactica TOS “Living Legend Part 2” recap as battle begins and Baltar says “Turn Turn”. I’ve been told on this board it’s there if you listen to the end of track x, but I don’t hear it in full. It’s also not on Stu Phillips’ original set either. I just bring this up because maybe it’s like I’m missing Battlestar cue. Most think it’s there, but I don’t think it’s there in full or way it was presented

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2024 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I can see an anniversary being used as an argument to convince a studio (or other right holders).

I believe on a podcast, album producer Neil Bulk seemed to indicate (at least in the last batch of Let Die and Octopussy) that it was EON telling MGM about certain films with anniversary significance and then MGM asking La-La Land (who then hires Bulk) if they wanted to do them.


Yes, that's pretty much what Neil explained on my podcast, A Score To Settle.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2024 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Let's be clear: the 2003 editions were a gift from the heavens.

However, there's a good reason to revisit all the classic era 007 scores, except those that only exist as album masters.

1: To make them all complete.

2: To present the original album programs separately from the film score program.

3: To present the film score program in sequence and shorter tracks.

Of the John Barry score expansions, only You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, and Octopussy are actually complete.

In fact, there's still more unreleased music from Thunderball than there is from Moonraker.

Before anyone tries to score a point with it, I'm not including that 3 second sting from Diamonds Are Forever that was probably created editorially rather than recorded as a cue.

The original albums were terrific albums, and I think there's value in presenting both the original album as well as the complete score, as is the modern style.

The 2003 style of presenting the music as album first (sometimes modified) and then all the other music as bonus tracks in big suites, was a necessary concession but not the most satisfying presentation.

Just my tuppence worth.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   AndrewH   (Member)

I think there are licensing issues (which probably aren't worth fighting over) with keeping the original album in album order - with the extra tracks at the end.

For me the album that really needs expanding is TSWLM.

It was nominated for an Oscar - largely as Hamlisch was popular at the time

But the album was presented as a regular pop album - which is fair enough, as at the time - that format is what sold.

But different orchestrations throughout plus tracks that didn't even appear in the movie. And those that did were only a passing resemblance to what we saw on screen.

So maybe the two CD format with the original album on one CD and the expanded stuff on the other is the easiest to negotiate with permissions?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

I'm pretty sure LTK is next - i mean the tapes are all there - the slates are ready

the alternate title song was released online


i just hope that we also get all tracks from the EP's and singles and so on are included


What's the alternate title song?

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I think there are licensing issues (which probably aren't worth fighting over) with keeping the original album in album order - with the extra tracks at the end.


That was a requirement in 2003 but has not been an issue with any of La-La Land's 007 releases.

Besides, if they present the album and film score as separate programs, as is the modern style, they'd satisfy any such requirement by simply making the album disc 1.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I'm pretty sure LTK is next - i mean the tapes are all there - the slates are ready

the alternate title song was released online


i just hope that we also get all tracks from the EP's and singles and so on are included


What's the alternate title song?


Same question.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

The Eric Clapton James Bond theme version

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2024 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

I'm pretty sure LTK is next - i mean the tapes are all there - the slates are ready

the alternate title song was released online


i just hope that we also get all tracks from the EP's and singles and so on are included


What's the alternate title song?


Same question.


The Kamen/Clapton instrumental "jam session" of the Bond theme was made available at Soundcloud sometime ago (and later excluded), and was recorded when Kamen was considering using it as the main titles before it was decided to go with a song.

But there's also an alternate title song "The Reward" that Kamen recorded based on his Pam/Love Theme that was never released/heard in any form (but exists and is preserved as confirmed in Michael Kamen site).

https://www.michaelkamen.com/catalogue/licence-to-kill

If I had to bet on new expanded Bonds this year I'd bet on LTK 35th ann. and Moonraker 45th ann. - both titles that LLL wanted to release before. But I'd not complain on any other Bond expansions.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

LTK would be a good one to do alongside Moonraker and/or Man With The Golden Gun.

Next year Goldeneye and View To A Kill. I'm warming to Goldeneye more and more. The romantic theme is sublime.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just rewatched You Only Live Twice last night.
The full version of James Bond - Astronaut is so damn cool. I would love to have the film version of that.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

I just rewatched You Only Live Twice last night.
The full version of James Bond - Astronaut is so damn cool. I would love to have the film version of that.


Hi Mutant, I'm not familiar with this film version, I always thought the 2003 CD was complete. I found a sequencing list here

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3429-sequencing-bond/

Is the film track you mentioned what they describe in the listing? or are we still missing music? Would be interesred to know the difference anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Lovejoy   (Member)

Let's be clear: the 2003 editions were a gift from the heavens.

However, there's a good reason to revisit all the classic era 007 scores, except those that only exist as album masters.

1: To make them all complete.

2: To present the original album programs separately from the film score program.

3: To present the film score program in sequence and shorter tracks.

Of the John Barry score expansions, only You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, and Octopussy are actually complete.

In fact, there's still more unreleased music from Thunderball than there is from Moonraker.

Before anyone tries to score a point with it, I'm not including that 3 second sting from Diamonds Are Forever that was probably created editorially rather than recorded as a cue.

The original albums were terrific albums, and I think there's value in presenting both the original album as well as the complete score, as is the modern style.

The 2003 style of presenting the music as album first (sometimes modified) and then all the other music as bonus tracks in big suites, was a necessary concession but not the most satisfying presentation.

Just my tuppence worth.

Cheers


I'd counter (not argue!) that some of the cues on the Moonraker CD are not the film takes - Corrine Put Down and Flight into Space are definitely not the takes heard in the film, so there is a lot of material still technically unreleased. I'd suggest a full Moonraker would be nothing short of revelatory.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just rewatched You Only Live Twice last night.
The full version of James Bond - Astronaut is so damn cool. I would love to have the film version of that.


Hi Mutant, I'm not familiar with this film version, I always thought the 2003 CD was complete. I found a sequencing list here

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3429-sequencing-bond/

Is the film track you mentioned what they describe in the listing? or are we still missing music? Would be interesred to know the difference anyway.



I read this guy’s breakdown. I don’t think you can assemble the film version from those elements.

It sounds like the track on the album is chopped in half. on the album it starts when Bond, disguised as an astronaut, sits on the buggy and is driven up to the rocket. In the film, the march begins on the shot of the rocket and goes into Bond rescuing the other astronauts.

in the film that “march” begins much earlier.

Also - the film version of Capsule in Space seems to have a longer intro, before the harps and piano come in.


Unrelated, but I also just noticed you can actually see the back of the head of the actor who was replaced in the Blofeld scene when he meets Bond.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The 2003 CD of You Only Live Twice is direct from the session masters. Any variances in the film itself is likely music editing.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The 2003 CD of You Only Live Twice is direct from the session masters. Any variances in the film itself is probably music editing. The extra repetition of the opening bars in Capsule In Space almost certainly is.

Cheers


Interesting thanks. I’ll try to do an edit myself of what I hear in the film.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Yes, "Capsule in Space" has a lot of repetitive bars in the opening as recorded and as heard in the film. They were edited down for the album and when we were doing the 2003 CD, as much as I like to present things unabridged and complete, it just felt boring and tedious not to replicate the edit.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

The two Moonraker cues I want to hear remastered and untampered are:

The trumpet-strings quasi-Herrmann cue after Bond blasts the centrifuge panel with the wrist dart gun.

and...

The cue when Bond activates the emergency stop of Drax's spacestation.

Two of the sweetest million-dollar Bond cues.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2024 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Well hopefully the film versions will be included in future releases.

 
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