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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I'm always glad to have the original album assembly, particularly when Williams oversaw it.

Here we have a definitive release of a first-rate John Williams score in exactly the bold, heroic style his fans love, complete and with the original album and still there are people here bitching about it. Only at FSM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   tranders65   (Member)

I've always loved this score.
Williams in heraldic civil-war mode (+ a delicate family/love theme)...what's not to love.
I never had any problems with the sound of the OST either (and I play it often) and always thought it was a generous programme (even if the 7 min title theme is repeated, save for a slight extension, as per usual with Williams albums).
But, if there's extra unreleased score (a given) and some cool alternate tracks (plus I imagine a fair bit of source music from the period), then bring it on.
If D3 is the old album...so be it.


Revolutionary war mode in this case, Hurdy wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I USED to think it was a waste to include the OST, but now I like that many releases do it. Sometimes the album presentation is better, BUT I still want some of the unreleased cues or film versions of the cues. Complete scores are an experience in and of themselves, but you don't always want to listen to something for 90 minutes at a time!

The release of Star Trek III: The Search For Spock is what kind of turned me around on this. As great as the score as, I think the OST kind of got it right and is the better listen. I'm happy that I have both, and that both sound as good as they do in their remastered form.

I was recently reminded of this again with LLL's Spider-Man 2. I love, love, love having the expanded material, but the OST was a pretty damn good representation of the best cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Also, I LOVE The Patriot. Great score. I found it to be much more lively and memorable than The Phantom Menace the year before, honestly. I love the long, lyrical passages and I think the themes are great (although the movie is ridiculous).

I've never felt I've needed more music than what was on the OST, necessarily, but I'll be first in line to get this new one all the same.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There are cases where it is indeed redundant to include the OST program, if you can just easily program it yourself if you want, as is the case with LLL's STAR TREK II.

You can't program the Star Trek II OST with the material on disc 1. "Battle In The Mutara Nebula" has an overlay not used on the OST, "Genesis Countdown" has a brief edit on the OST not duplicated on disc 1 and [shudder] the "Epilogue / End Title" has the Nimoy voice-over only on the OST. This is why the decision is frequently made to include the original album in addition to the expanded presentation.

There would be no way to program "The Patriot" OST from the expanded score presentation.

Neil



Ah, ok, thanks. I thought I read in the liner notes of the FSM that you could program the OST album sequence and preseumed it would be the same with the La-La Land.
Well, all the better then the OST was included.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)


Ah, ok, thanks. I thought I read in the liner notes of the FSM that you could program the OST album sequence and preseumed it would be the same with the La-La Land.


Maybe you were thinking Heavy Metal?

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


Ah, ok, thanks. I thought I read in the liner notes of the FSM that you could program the OST album sequence and preseumed it would be the same with the La-La Land.


Maybe you were thinking Heavy Metal?


In addition to this info being in the Heavy Metal liner notes, they're also in the LLL release of The Blue Max, how you can create that OST album experience.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

In addition to this info being in the Heavy Metal liner notes, they're also in the LLL release of The Blue Max, how you can create that OST album experience.

"Heavy Metal's" OST had unique edits and mix. While the FSM release was designed to allow re-sequencing, it couldn't recreate the album mix. The LLL release therefore offers both on separate discs so that we could include the original album mix.

The LLL release of "The Blue Max" includes the OST assembly in addition to the expanded score presentation. I designed that release so any of the other prior releases could be re-sequenced. I wrote about it here: https://the-sounding-bored.blogspot.com/2014/10/sequencing-blue-max.html

Neil

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

In addition to this info being in the Heavy Metal liner notes, they're also in the LLL release of The Blue Max, how you can create that OST album experience.

"Heavy Metal's" OST had unique edits and mix. While the FSM release was designed to allow re-sequencing, it couldn't recreate the album mix. The LLL release therefore offers both on separate discs so that we could include the original album mix.

The LLL release of "The Blue Max" includes the OST assembly in addition to the expanded score presentation. I designed that release so any of the other prior releases could be re-sequenced. I wrote about it here: https://the-sounding-bored.blogspot.com/2014/10/sequencing-blue-max.html

Neil


That was what I meant to state, thanks much for clarification NSB!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   ChuckNoland   (Member)

Great score to a lousy movie. If they took out the slow motion it would be 75 minutes long.

It was Oscar nominated - Lost to Crouching tiger, Hidden Dragon, but so did Gladiator, which probably should have won.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Great score to a lousy movie.

Lousy movie? It's GREAT!

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Great score to a lousy movie.

Lousy movie? It's GREAT!


Once again, Thor, we find ourselves the exact inverse of each other. I found this movie excruciating.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Movie??
I thought it was a cartoon!
It manages to give Braveheart a run for its money in the historical bull shit arena and that takes some doing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)


Once again, Thor, we find ourselves the exact inverse of each other. I found this movie excruciating.


Thor is the bizarro version of most of us.

But we love him anyway.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Is this the guy who claims Junkie XS is the best composer in the world? Give me the name of his drug dealer!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

Movie??
I thought it was a cartoon!
It manages to give Braveheart a run for its money in the historical bull shit arena and that takes some doing.


Both great films with even better scores!

Ok, ok The Patriot isn’t great but I enjoy it for what it is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

What's not to like?

Stupendously gorgeous cinematography by Caleb Deschanel -- sweltering summer heat, particles in the air, lots of mud and texture and tactility in the fights and battles. Very strong performances by Gibson and Ledger, but particularly Gibson. Raw, visceral, subdued intensity that eventually boils over when the pain becomes intolerable. A deliciously psychopathic bad guy in Jason Isaacs that keeps the antagonist energy going. A very fine score by the greatest film composer who ever lived.

Not a masterpiece or anything, but an excellent, supremely underrated film. Four out of five stars.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

What's not to like?

Stupendously gorgeous cinematography by Caleb Deschanel -- sweltering summer heat, particles in the air, lots of mud and texture and tactility in the fights and battles. Very strong performances by Gibson and Ledger, but particularly Gibson. Raw, visceral, subdued intensity that eventually boils over when the pain becomes intolerable. A deliciously psychopathic bad guy in Jason Isaacs that keeps the antagonist energy going. A very fine score by the greatest film composer who ever lived.

Not a masterpiece or anything, but an excellent, supremely underrated film. Four out of five stars.


It pains me to agree with you Thor LOL

I am going to hazard a small guess you won’t be buying this new release ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I am going to hazard a small guess you won’t be buying this new release ;-)

No, I actually think the very generous, 73-minute OST is stretching length enough as it is, but I'll defend the film any day of the week!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

It's actually only about 65 mins with the reprise of the title theme, but it is a fine reduction of the score.
Seems it's quite underrated too, judging by many comments here about the music.
I'm looking forward to hearing it in ALL its glory.
Maybe it will surprise others too.

 
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