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Originally posted by Damon:
Yes Ron. Damon is my name. You seem a bit edgy there guy, take your valium.
This is a pretty hardcore soundtrack forum! I think I might have personally insulted some of you for voicing my opinion. Sorry if I have. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/frown.gif"> I just happen to like some of the scores Zimmer has done recently.

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Nah, I'm not edgy. Don't take or need valium. Could use a little Prozac now and then, but that's life!

Your opinion is just fine. But if you don't want to hear any negative input, don't ask what we think. I know you stated you liked him and cited reasons. I cited reasons why I don't.

That's the basis for dialogue where I come from. It isn't always touchy-feely, but it doesn't have to be ugly, either. I don't think I was being ugly, do you?

More power to you...enjoy film music. If, along the way, you discover greater talents than Zimmer, don't be alarmed....

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P.S. I thought it was shameful the way Gustav Holst nicked all those riffs from Zimmer's highly original Gladiator score!

Kaijuu-oyabun (and H Rocco), how in the world can you guys NOT like Forrest Gump???

"And that's all I have to say about THAT!"
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Originally posted by Timmer:
Andre! Andre!! ANDRE!!!...How many more times must you be told...Morricone is an old has been, Zimmer is God!

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You are 100% right Timmer!!

I mean, who is this Moricuone person aftear all?
How many Dom $imp$om/Jerry Bruckenheimer movies has he scored??

HÁ! http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/tongue.gif">

And I agree that you guys should stop calling people morricons, it is confusing others!
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/confused.gif"> http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/confused.gif"> DUH, somebody should sue that Holzt guy! He should know that he can't steal other people's brilliant work!
We should get this Holzt guy, and set him on fire for stealing from our beloved Zimmer!

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/mad.gif"> http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/mad.gif"> http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/mad.gif"> Bern um! Bern um all!

That is not to say that Zimmer cannot provide an acceptable musical accompaniment to certain kinds of films -- those which do not require any insight or depth. Let's face it -- "As Good As It Gets" did not require Alex North! I do think that at least a couple of the films Zimmer did, "Driving Miss Daisy" and "Gladiator," would have been far better served by trained composers. Especially the latter!

One last comment: Lisa Whatsername, the vocalist who Zimmer has lately brought into his fold, is a beautiful example of his amateurish take on film scoring. Her vocals for "The Insider" were surreal, distracting and totally irritating, while they were merely inappropriate in "Gladiator." Zimmer does not have the training or insight to recognize how out of place she is in these films. She is to film music what Sondra Locke was to serious acting.

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It's also funny to me, that while all this ZIMMER bashing and defending goes on - his interview stays on the FSM main page!!

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And thanks for the news flash about Korngold vis á vis Star Wars, thou oh-so-31337 abuser of the in-cap.

Hanging on, kid-wise.

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Originally posted by SjONGBIrD:
Question - does the score serve the film? As far as it goes for GLADIATOR - YES it does!

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Right anwser: no, IT DOESN'T.
Sorry.
"Zimmer's" score is so amateurish and out-of-place that only make the movie even more ludicrous...
If you don't believe me, just check the first teaser trailer of the movie (featured on the DVD), temp tracked with CONAN, THE BARBARIAN's score. Man, makes you wonder what GREAT score a real composer could have created to this artistic flop!

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Did Zimmer 'borrow' from Holst and E. Morricone - perhaps.

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PERHAPS??
Wow! That was a good one.
Please, buy yourself a copy of SECRET OF THE SAHARA and listen to the track "Kerin". What Zimmer did was just adapt Morricone's gem to fit his primitive "orchestrations"!

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Of course, this is just one schmucks opinion - mine - and I don't mind saying - I also LOVE James Horner for all he's worth too!

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Well, now it became easy to understand your praising over GLADIATOR... I mean, don't take me wrong, I used to love Horner too. But just until I discover what a fraud he is - something that grows everyday now. What a shame!!

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It's also funny to me, that while all this ZIMMER bashing and defending goes on - his interview stays on the FSM main page!!

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And that means... http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/confused.gif"> (Maybe I am losing something very profound here).

Cheers indeed!!

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[This message has been edited by Damon (edited 07 January 2001).]

Please forgive them, Damon, for they know not what they do...

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Originally posted by Damon:
I don't care if you're a Morricone fan, Goldsmith fan, whatever, the original classical composers are the ones who started this great music in the first place. Listen to Goldsmiths score for "Six Degrees of Seperation", total classical influence. All of the great soundtrack composers have classically studied under great teachers. Maybe not Zimmer, which is one reason I respect him more for being able to do what he does. How can they not be influenced?

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Don't be so touchy mate!
You have the right to like Hanzimmer or whatever. Just don't get so hysterical when you discover that not everybody agree with your opinion about things.

I loved MISSON TO MARS - both as pure music experience and withing the movie. But you don't. Will I slash your throat now? Of course not. I mean... Does an artist like Ennio Morricone needs to be defended?? http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/wink.gif">

But for suree: one thing is "get influenced" by classical composers. The other is just use their music as if it was your own, simple because you don't have the necessary skills to achieve it. But it is even more shameful when these hacks steal from their collegues of profession, which are still alive!!

Peace indeed...

P.S. to Thor: piss off, would you?