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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)


A song-score is still a score, isn't it?
-Joshua


Er .. yes. So, no, GRAFFITTI doesn't count. There was often no onscreen reason for the music playing. It was there for narrative and dramatic effect. No song-scores guys.

E3

P.S. Could GRAFFITI have ever been done any other way? I did see a movie called SUNCHASERS with a score by, I don't remember, I think it might have been Michel Legrand or the guy that did ENEMY MINE. Anyway, it was a very contemporary film and it seemed very odd that it had score .. but in some wierd artistic way is was fresh and interesting.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)

Films that follow the "Dogme" rules (films like FESTEN) can't have any music unless it occurs on the location of the scene. This should beef up our list considerably:


http://www.dogme95.dk/



--------------------
Alex Cremers



 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   _dr_quatermass   (Member)

To claim that REAR WINDOW has no music or a score is ignorant if not preposterous. Starting with the main titles, Franz Waxman composed a great score for this film, even though it has only a few cues. In fact, one of the cues had been used already by Waxman in A Place in the Sun. Lalo Schifrin re-recorded them and it was a great influence on Leonard Bernstein for instance, as we can hear it in West Side Story.

Music is an important element in REAR WINDOW, the song Waxman composed for the unemployed composer, LISA, not only stops Ms. Lonely Hearts from killing herself, but also at the end later becomes Grace Kelly's character's theme. Funny how people limit film music to only action cues by Hans Zimmer.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   psaggs   (Member)

I'm prepared to be proven wrong here, but I don't recall hearing any music in KIM apart from that accompanying the opening and closing credits (Andre Previn). The same goes for YELLOW SKY (Alfred Newman).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Rear Window has only on location source cures - the song in various stages - and music that comes from the dancing girls apartment - usuallu music she is dancing to - inlcluding the chase from Place in the Sun - however, I do NOT hear place in the sun in West side Story, nor do I think Lenny was even aware of waxmans score.
Odd cases of no underscore - two MGM musical boigraphies from 1955-
Interrupted Melody and Love Me or Leave Me.
They have the songs and operatic arias and music in the Main Title, but after that , no dramatic underscoring and both are pretty dramatic films.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   psaggs   (Member)

Another couple of movies without dramatic scores, both filmed in Africa: MOGAMBO and KING SOLOMON'S MINES (the '50s version).

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Der! I should have read the entire thread before posting my Rear Window thing. Never mind.

smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)




Gosh dang! That's 22 Movies to go out and rent right now! Wowsers!

So who wants to get together and do a scoreless movie party? Nobody? Anybody ... hmm, this might not be a very popular idea. wink

Evan Evans


I'll show up (with snacks, even!) but only if you tell me about the 1959-1961 trio. I'm sure you're well-versed in those stories by now...wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

I did read of a European film (i.e. non-British) that was something like 20 hours of exposed film (presumably with nothing on), that has only been shown once in its complete form. This would suggest that it may have been edited into a shorter version; but how would you choose which bits to keep ?.

At any rate I imagine that there was no score involved.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I think you mean:

"I spit on your corpse!"

Evan Evans


Nope, I mean "I Spit on Your Grave", the movie where a girl in the woods is raped by three brothers (one is retarded). She exacts vengeance on them one by one. One guy get's his penis sliced off in a bathtub. It's a pretty raunchy film, but had no music score. So, it counts, eh?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)



Nope, I mean "I Spit on Your Grave", the movie where a girl in the woods is raped by three brothers (one is retarded). She exacts vengeance on them one by one. One guy get's his penis sliced off in a bathtub. It's a pretty raunchy film, but had no music score. So, it counts, eh?



Obviously, not THAT! retarded.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The China Syndrome had no score, presumably because the filmmakers felt it would detract from the "seriousness" and "documentary realism" they were trying to portray.

Unfortunately, Michael Douglas's elbow-patch jackets and Jane Fonda's pants suits makes it impossible to take the film any more seriously than any other hopelessly dated 70s movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

The China Syndrome had no score, presumably because the filmmakers felt it would detract from the "seriousness" and "documentary realism" they were trying to portray.

Unfortunately, Michael Douglass' "elbow-ptach" jackets and Jane Fonda's goofy 70s pants suits makes it impossible to take the film more seriously than any other hopelessly dated late-70s movie.

Paul


Yeah, but this was the one where the reactor didn't explode cos there weren't any bees around.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

I discovered one such movie in the DVD set of "Film Noir" I recently purchased. The only film in that set that I had never seen or heard of before was a little number directed by Robert Wise called THE SET-UP. Not only does it have no score at all, but it unfolds in "real" time.

THE SET-UP is quite good, too - an undiscovered gem. It's a boxing picture with Robert Ryan whose handlers are mixed up in a crooked scam. The centerpiece fight sequence is masterful and was a HUGE influence on ROCKY (it even has the whip pans). The only music comes from onscreen sources - there are no main or end titles music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Eugene Iemola   (Member)

There's no background score to John Huston's THE ASPHALT JUNGLE, just opening and closing credit music by Miklos Rozsa.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Never mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

To claim that REAR WINDOW has no music or a score is ignorant if not preposterous.

No one here made that claim AT ALL. Take a look back at all the posts. No one said it has NO SCORE. And no one said it has NO MUSIC.

Rather that there is no narrative music, other than contrived placement of original songs to add to the intended drama of certain scenes, as is found with any carefully placed music in any movie (such as that found on a car radio, or a neighbor playing piano in a nearby apartment HINT HINT).

Evan Evans

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

So the current list is:

Lifeboat
Network
Rear Window
The Homecoming
Rope
Failsafe
The Defiant Ones
The Birds
I Spit on Your Corpse!
The Blair Witch Project
The China Syndrome
The Hill
The Grey Zone
Executive Suite
Consipiracy (2001 TV Film) HBO Pictures
Kiss Or Kill (1997)
One Of Our Aircraft is Missing (1942)
Scum (1979)
The Panic In Needle Park (1971)
Day of the Woman (1978)
Marrooned (1969)
Dog Day Afternoon
Mademoiselle
Kim (1950) (needs further verification)
Yellow Sky (needs further verification)
Mogambo
King Solomon's Mines (1950s)
The Set-up
The Asphalt Jungle

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2004 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

Just thought of another one.

WAGES OF FEAR

There is a main title piece but no other music until the end where music comes over a radio.

A crackerjack, nail-biting suspense yarn that was remade by William Friedkin as SORCERER (with a Tangerine Dream score). It's the one about the trucks carrying nitro.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2004 - 2:18 AM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Seems to be a lot of these MAIN TITLES / END CREDITS ones. Must have been a fad. cool

Evan Evans

 
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