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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2005 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   Professor Hubert Farnswor   (Member)

A stupid movie accompanied by a typically simplistic Goldsmith 90s score.
What`t even worse. Here Goldsmith is actually sort of copying the primitive Hans Zimmer / Media Ventures style of primitive melodies and harmonies.
It`s like Goldsmith goes Zimmer.

Yeah, it definetely needs a complete release.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2005 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

"...properly creative scoring."



Please Explain this comment in more detail. This I have to hear.


Rich


Heh - I thought The 13th Warrior had its own musical identity, unlike much of what Goldsmith was doing prior to it. Perhaps just my preference for my aforementioned "interesting subjects."

There - you heard it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2005 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

This score is one of the few Goldsmith scores that I thought didn't actually need a complete release. It'd be interesting to hear the extra music, but they did a damn fine job of getting all the best material on the surprisingly long CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2005 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

but the fact is, they did try to avoid the "universal language" syndrome. An effort was made toward realism, in that respect, which I greatly appreciated.

Realism would only have been maintained if the vikings had continued to speak Norwegian. But of course, Americans hate subtitles, so that's a no-no. Not to mention that English as the language we know it wasn't even invented at the time.

I'd REALLY love to see a film that has all the Hollywood-type production values, yet maintained the language barrier. Hmmm....if I remember correctly, the excellent BOURNE films had this.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2018 - 11:56 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Just a little story I'd like to tell...

I live on the West Coast of BC and took a trip over to Vancouver Island to see family two weeks ago. I was up Island near Campbell River where they filmed The 13th Warrior, and the day was grey and foggy, much like a lot of the sequences in the film. Randomly, "The Great Hall" played on my iPhone through the car stereo. I was with my sis and explained to her about how appropriate it was that this track started playing. It was so surreal and reminded me how ridiculously great that main theme was.

I've been humming it ever since, and kinda almost feel that it's one of his all time great themes...as silly as it is to call it that after Papillon, Patton, Star Trek, etc...but I guess what Im getting at is that as late in his career as The 13th Warrior was, he still was able to conjure up something so truly awesome, that I'm sure Michael Crichton must have nodded his head and thanked Goldsmith for yet again coming through for him.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Nice soundtrack-meets-life story, peterproud!

As for this, in my original topic 12 years ago:

This is another favourite of mine, and in many ways it's a better listening experience than THE MUMMY

What the hell was I on about? 13TH WARRIOR is a great score, but nowhere near THE MUMMY -- which I consider my alltime favourite JG score.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)



"What the hell was I on about? 13TH WARRIOR is a great score, but nowhere near THE MUMMY -- which I consider my alltime favourite JG score"


Absolument!

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

"What the hell was I on about? 13TH WARRIOR is a great score, but nowhere near THE MUMMY -- which I consider my alltime favourite JG score"


Absolument!



I heard THE 13TH WARRIOR before THE MUMMY and I find this more enjoyable. Like Thor, I too feel that the THE MUMMY is almost as good. The music is limited to a few themes but the supporting motive and score built around the thematic material is just more rewarding to me than the material in THE MUMMY. Dont get me wrong-THE MUMMY has perhaps more standalone set pieces that are just awesome (but maybe its me) I get good play outs from both of these. I hope we can get a Deluxe Expansion someday!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   DanH   (Member)

This score is one of the few Goldsmith scores that I thought didn't actually need a complete release. It'd be interesting to hear the extra music, but they did a damn fine job of getting all the best material on the surprisingly long CD.

I hope this one gets a complete release because I'd like to hear the Graeme Revel rejected score and compare it to Jerry's. Pretty sure it won't be as good, but I'd still like to hear it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

Haven't heard this one, but find Mummy rather dull as far as the Goldsmith library goes. Not really any interesting themes, just a bunch of "ooh-aah" stuff. Has its moments though, rest assured.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

Haven't heard this one, but find Mummy rather dull as far as the Goldsmith library goes. Not really any interesting themes, just a bunch of "ooh-aah" stuff. Has its moments though, rest assured.

What!?

The Mummy is one of the best scores by Goldsmith, although i really like 13th Warrior

His sense of epic and adventure also romanticisim, is mindblowing, well, it's Goldsmith

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

King Solomon's Mines is where it's at when I want Goldsmith adventurousness.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

King Solomon's Mines is where it's at when I want Goldsmith adventurousness.

Which I like, but i prefer The Mummy ;D

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I am flabbergasted at that -- different strokes for different folks I guess, but I find King Solomon's Mines to be an occasionally (maybe even often) obnoxious, very surface-level and relatively unengaging score. The thematic material in it I just find generally unappealing. The Wagner quotes make it even more annoying to me (somehow I don't mind them in Small Soldiers, so it's not just that I dislike Wagner).

On the other hand, The Mummy, despite a section of more drab suspense/horror underscore that starts about halfway through the score...well overall, it's one of my favorite Goldsmith scores of all time, with certainly some of the most exciting action music of his entire career, and several wonderful and very memorable themes. Sure, Rick's theme is maybe simplistic heroism but it just find it infectious and it's how Goldsmith uses it, interweaving it with the varied moods and textures, that makes it awesome. The love theme is better on its own merits, IMO, though Jerry also interweaves it brilliantly, particularly in The Camel Race when it becomes the basis of an action cue! Then there are various more "exotic" thematic ideas for the Egyptian locales and characters which I find equally memorable and enjoyable.

As for 13th Warrior since it's the subject of this thread...while it bears some similarities to The Mummy and it was composed the same year, I have always found it the more simplistic cousin, with less thematic scope and variation. But while it doesn't quite hit the heights of The Mummy for me (even in great cues like The Fire Dragon), I do consider it the more consistently strong score of the two, because as I said, you get halfway through The Mummy and then to me it IS as you describe -- kinda dull, wading through 25+ minutes of mostly suspense/horror underscore which doesn't feel remotely as inspired as the first half, and final sequence of cues, in the score. The 13th Warrior maybe has a low key suspense cue or two, but not a sustained/concentrated section of them. I would love to have an official complete release of the score.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

"The 13th Warrior" is one of two Goldsmith scores I disliked so much, that when I went through them to see if I could find anything to take away or even pieces to make a suite or more with, I came out of the listening experience empty handed. And I have the unofficially expanded version, so it's not like somebody can say, "Well, the official release is missing some great cues" to me.


Graeme Revell's rejected score, on the other hand, is a personal favorite of mine and certainly a better score in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Oscarilbo   (Member)

This score is one of the few Goldsmith scores that I thought didn't actually need a complete release. It'd be interesting to hear the extra music, but they did a damn fine job of getting all the best material on the surprisingly long CD.

I hope this one gets a complete release because I'd like to hear the Graeme Revel rejected score and compare it to Jerry's. Pretty sure it won't be as good, but I'd still like to hear it.


I bet you'll find it on youtube.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Graeme Revell's rejected score, on the other hand, is a personal favorite of mine and certainly a better score in my opinion.

Revell's score, to me, is more interesting and unique than Goldsmith's, though I wouldn't say it's better written. I'm amazed you didn't think there was a single worthwhile cue in the entire Goldsmith score, Justin.

BTW, for all interested, yes the Graeme Revell score is on YouTube so you can judge for yourselves. I for one would still prefer a lossless release of it included as a second disc when the inevitable Deluxe Edition of the Goldsmith score comes out from Varese some day.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

I merely compare them as far as "Goldsmith in popcorn adventure movie" mode goes. But I've heard The Mummy several times and can't remember a theme or particular cue for the life of me, since it all sounds the same.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

13th Warrior - Complete!!!!

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2018 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I merely compare them as far as "Goldsmith in popcorn adventure movie" mode goes. But I've heard The Mummy several times and can't remember a theme or particular cue for the life of me, since it all sounds the same.

I remember literally a dozen or more cues, because of the variety in thematic treatment: the opening Imhotep, Tuareg Attack, Giza Port, Night Boarders, Caravan, The Camel Race, The Locusts, My Favorite Plague, Sand Storm, The Sand Volcano...I'm really shocked that they all sound the same to you.

Yavar

 
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