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Sep 16, 2005 - 7:17 PM
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TerraEpon
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Oh, and I want to say, I'm not like Thor -- I really really would love a complete release. But doing it *right* would mean CDs alone in the pakage, preferably in some sort of jewel case or even something like this release of Debussy's chamber works that's actually thinner than a normal jewel case, yet is three CDs, a kind of book-case, and fits just fine between my others.
In reality, even more preferable would be a nice set of 10-11 or however much it would be of all the music, in as small a case as possible.
I have a feeling the 4th CD might be a video of the recording sessions...that's what it seems to be to me. I'd rather have such a thing available to buy seperately. If it's a DVD of the music, playable in my comp's drive, then that wouldn't be too bad.
-Joshua
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Sep 16, 2005 - 7:35 PM
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OK, allow me these few sentences of venting and I promise not to poison your excitement in most of the future threads about this.
I say YUCK, YUCK and TRIPLE YUCK to this release. It's detrimental to the view on film music as a good listening experience. It contaminates all I believe in in terms of film music as PURE music. In short, I don't like the release nor the motivation behind it. It doesn't matter a monkey's ass to me if there is some splendid music left off the regular release that is being released on this set. If I want those moments, I put on my extended DVD set. The regular release encapsulates the sound world of FELLOWSHIP brilliantly in its 70+ minutes running time and I don't have any need for this massive overkill of a soundtrack "event".
Can I be this harsh without even having HEARD the damn thing? Yes, I can. I know the score to LOTR: FOTR and I know that I HATE complete and chronological presentations. That's enough.
OK, fire away if you want to. My party-poopin' is over (for now). 
NP: TITUS (Goldenthal)
I don't share any of Mr. Thor's views on the matter of CD length and all. My objections are from a different direction. That is, the marketing philosophy behind another release of this score.
Basically, this is the definitive version of the soundtrack. This after the original release and the newer, improved expanded release and then there was the deluxe version and so-on. This stuff really bothers me because it's milking the cow dry. It's one of the things that infuriates me about Lucasfilm's marketing approach... keep selling us the same thing over and over again. I bit when the Star Wars boxed set came out but I wasn't even going to nibble on the subsequent more expanded, expanded editions. I waasn't so disciplined with the movies. I think I upgraded three times to end up with the DVD's of the original trilogy.
So now New Line has caught on. I wish they could just skip a stage to the ultimate edition of these things.
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Sep 16, 2005 - 8:43 PM
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Doug Adams
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Hi guys,
I’m pressed for time today, so I’ll just add a few, very brief notes if I may.
1) Yup. Though he’s being polite, the fact of the matter is that Dan Goldwasser beat me to the punch announcing a project I’ve been bouncing around for the past five years. There’s no way around it. Hail to the king! :)
2) The DVD contains the full Fellowship score in 5.1 sound. As far as I’ve been told, that’s all it contains. Why? What’s the point? Because it sounds incredible! It adds very little to the overall cost of the set, so why not add it? Now, I have to admit that a few months ago I’d have said, “Eh, I’m sure it sounds good, but a good 2 channel mix is fine by me.” I was shocked at how much fuller the 5.1 sounded on good speakers, and I think you will be too. The audiophiles among you will be thrilled, and the rest of you should consider converting!
3) Why is this called a “boxed set” if it only contains one score? It comes in a box. A small box. "Square cardboard-based packaging set" looks weird on a press release. Really, though, it contains several items, so it’s a box. Nothing more complicated than that.
4) What’s the point of a complete release? Again, it’s absolutely fine to have a differing opinion and claim that this release is superfluous. I don’t agree, but that doesn’t bother me. I think of it this way, some people like listening to Stravinsky’s Firebird Suite as a pearl of orchestral color and fancy, some prefer the complete Firebird as a masterpiece of narrative development and linear flexibility. I'm in the second category. But, when you come to, say, The Nutcracker, I think the pieces left out of the Suite deserve to be left out. They don’t match, tonally, what the Suite establishes. So, who’s right? No one. / Everyone. I mean, it’s an aesthetic argument, and essentially without a winner. I happen to feel that, in the case of Lord of the Rings, the only way to hear Shore’s intentions is to hear the full score. But, it’s not as if I’m unbiased, right? Either way, I think it’s great that we now have the choice. Again, not trying to draw out an argument, because I really don’t think there’s one to be had. So that’s all I’ll say about that. I hope everyone here is in the practice of respecting opposing viewpoints.
5) Ok, this is a biggie. Please understand, there is no future all-encompassing hernia-inducing 17-and-a-half disc boxed set coming out after this. This is the ultimate release of Fellowship. It will be followed by the ultimate release of Two Towers and the ultimate release of Return of the King. Oh, and I guess there’s a book sandwiched in there somewhere. (Cough, cough…) But that’s it. There’s absolutely no plan to bilk the costumer at a later date.
Ok, I’ve got to run right now. Again, I’m happy to answer more questions when time provides, either email or the board is fine.
As always, thanks for your patience, everyone. And get ready for what I personally feel will be an amazing release.
-Doug Adams
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Sep 16, 2005 - 8:48 PM
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I think of it this way, some people like listening to Stravinsky’s Firebird Suite as a pearl of orchestral color and fancy, some prefer the complete Firebird as a masterpiece of narrative development and linear flexibility. I'm in the second category. But, when you come to, say, The Nutcracker, I think the pieces left out of the Suite deserve to be left out.
Actually, I don't think the parallell to classical music holds water. That's music composed for its own sake. It's when music swaps medium that the problem occurs. Film music doesn't hold up very well in a complete and chronological presentation when it leaves the film medium. Very rarely, at best. Of course, I have said all this (and much better) in previous threads, so I'll leave it at that.
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Sep 16, 2005 - 8:55 PM
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Doug Adams
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Actually, I don't think the parallell to classical music holds water. That's music composed for its own sake. It's when music swaps medium that the problem occurs. Film music doesn't hold up very well in a complete and chronological presentation when it leaves the film medium. Very rarely, at best. Of course, I have said all this (and much better) in previous threads, so I'll leave it at that.
Firebird and Nutcracker were written as ballets, narrative music tied to visual elements, not as standalone concert works. In moving from the theater stage to the concert hall, these works swapped mediums. I’ve read your other posts and respectfully disagree, though applaud your efforts and articulation. I, too, will leave it at that.
All my best,
-Doug Adams
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Doug,
Can you tell us how much overlapping there is between the liner notes that come with the CDs and your book as it'll be published independently? The press release says "culled"--does that mean that some of the liner notes are selections from your book, or is some of the material adapted into a different form, i.e., mostly wide-view analysis adapted to mostly track-by-track analysis, or some such?
(I'm not suggesting criticism. I'm merely excited and want to know as much about these releases as those involved are willing/able to say at this stage.)
Glenn
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Sep 16, 2005 - 10:53 PM
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TerraEpon
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2) The DVD contains the full Fellowship score in 5.1 sound. As far as I’ve been told, that’s all it contains.
But is it DVD-A or a standard DVD? If it's the later, then I might be less annoyed.
3) Why is this called a “boxed set” if it only contains one score? It comes in a box. A small box. "Square cardboard-based packaging set" looks weird on a press release. Really, though, it contains several items, so it’s a box. Nothing more complicated than that.
Again, how is this? Jewel cases in a slipcase (too large! Why take up four spaces when it can two?), or something else?
And I kinda agree with both sides on the classical parallel. With ballets, the danceing is fit to the music, so it really works the other way around. But arguments for "the best parts" certainly hold, and both Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky compiled the popular suites themselves (though Tchaik hated The Nutcracker). I'm a completest so I love the full ballets, but certainly in those two cases the suites are perfectly satisfying as well.
-Joshua
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Sep 17, 2005 - 12:38 AM
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Joe E.
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I don't share any of Mr. Thor's views on the matter of CD length and all. My objections are from a different direction. That is, the marketing philosophy behind another release of this score.
Basically, this is the definitive version of the soundtrack. This after the original release and the newer, improved expanded release and then there was the deluxe version and so-on. This stuff really bothers me because it's milking the cow dry. It's one of the things that infuriates me about Lucasfilm's marketing approach... keep selling us the same thing over and over again. I bit when the Star Wars boxed set came out but I wasn't even going to nibble on the subsequent more expanded, expanded editions. I waasn't so disciplined with the movies. I think I upgraded three times to end up with the DVD's of the original trilogy.
So now New Line has caught on. I wish they could just skip a stage to the ultimate edition of these things.
Why does everyone always jump on Lucasfilm for this? It's not like they developed this approach, or are anywhere close to the worst about it (for that, see Disney for studios, and James Cameron, Sam Raimi and even Terry Gilliam for filmmakers, for starters).
With this particular release, you're also not getting the point of the earlier releases. There are lots of people, like our own Thor, for whom a release like this is unappealing, and who would rather have the single-disc release. The point of this release isn't to replace the earlier one but to be an alternative to it. Even if this release had come first, there'd still be a need for a lesser version. Some people will want one, and some will want the other; it's not that they're trying to sell a second release to everyone who already bought the first.
Sure, some will want both, but it's not simply a matter of holding back all the music so people lay out the cash for some of it first, then releasing it all so they lay out more cash to get it all including the stuff they already bought once.
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This is great news, I can't wait! Nov. 22nd is going to be a huge day: FOTR complete score and Xbox 360 at the same time. Looks like a "call in to work sick" day for me! I just hope it doesn't take too long to get TTT and ROTK released.
Doug,
The only disappointing thing is that your book is not coming out at the same time. I'm really looking forward to reading it, and I hardly ever read so you should feel honored. Is the packaging going to be similar to the EE DVDs? I loved there packaging and I think it would carry over nicely.
I just hope that the end of each track is actually the end of each musical piece. I hate it when tracks run together b/c when you put them on an iPod it creates a pause in the music that annoys me to death. Zimmer releases are horrible about this. I took a 15 track CD and edited all the tracks together to remove the pauses and ended up with a 6 track CD.
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14th of november - just like Prince Charles
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This is just conjecture, but i'm assuming the DVD portion of this set will be region free.
I do hope that European releases will have this DVD in PAL and not NTSC.
But i'm gonna wait for more details before starting to worry about any of this.
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How about opera Thor?
Do you listen to the complete Ring Cycle of what is it, some 9 hours?
Or do you settle for a CD with the highlights?
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So in your opinion film music is by defination an iferiour form of music as compared to Classical music? (i used that term in it's broadest form)
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). Ibid for TWO TOWERS.