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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

It's a pity that Ken Darby didn't write a companion volume to his "Hollywood Holyland" book, that would have revealed all the wonderful musical facets to the HTWWW score, since this was obviously the most joyous of all the Newman-Darby collaborative efforts.

Newman and Darby's experiences on THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD were torturous, and Darby wanted to chronicle the dark underside of the creative process. By contrast, HOW THE WEST WAS WON was, by Darby's estimation, the most enjoyable film-scoring experience Newman ever had in his long, long career.

Good news, as they say, is no news.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)



I'm inclined to disagree with you here. But as I no longer own a version of the LP or the Sony CD, I'm not in a position to do an A-B check.

To me, it sounded like a completely different recording. Tempo was different in some pieces. Actually, I don't recall a lot of reverb at all.
Although I do think some of the source music may have not been re-recorded, like the Debbie Reynolds songs, etc.

All one has to do is listen- you can play the record often in syc with the film unless they did internal cuts as in the main Title and the Cheyenne chase. And there is a load of added reverb as MGM normally did on their soundtracks during this period (Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Mutiny on the Bounty)

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

why in the world is this out of print?

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

why in the world is this out of print?

I suppose it's reached it's core market. It's easy to find and rather cheap when you do.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

why in the world is this out of print?

I'm guessing terrible sales, but who knows?

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

why in the world is this out of print?

I'm guessing terrible sales, but who knows?


There's not even any USED copies on Amazon. Very strange.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

There's not even any USED copies on Amazon. Very strange.

First of all, forgive my snarkiness in the previous answer.

As for the lack of used copies, maybe this is the sort of CD that nobody wound up with by accident. The people who wanted it bought it and kept it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 12:14 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

I have a copy of this on its way to me. Based on everyone's comments here, I'm really looking forward to it.smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Daniel Shays   (Member)

Here's one that probably won't fit in your budget:

http://product.half.ebay.com/How-The-West-Was-Won-Rhino_W0QQprZ3239190QQtgZinfo

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Here's one that probably won't fit in your budget:

http://product.half.ebay.com/How-The-West-Was-Won-Rhino_W0QQprZ3239190QQtgZinfo


Well I looked on three sites in the UK, & it's for sale on all of them (Amazon/HMV/Play).
The thing I can't understand is; it's been on sale for ever, so why would someone wait 'till it's deleated (or they think it is) & then pay a small fortune for it?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

Here's one that probably won't fit in your budget:

http://product.half.ebay.com/How-The-West-Was-Won-Rhino_W0QQprZ3239190QQtgZinfo


I wonder who should be considered the lesser: the lunatic who lists something for such a price, or the fool who actually buys it.roll eyes

Mine cost me all of $16. I was quite happy with that.

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

The HTWWW LP was NOt a rerecording but the actual soundtrack tapes edited and with reverb added.

I'm inclined to disagree with you here. But as I no longer own a version of the LP or the Sony CD, I'm not in a position to do an A-B check.

To me, it sounded like a completely different recording. Tempo was different in some pieces. Actually, I don't recall a lot of reverb at all.
Although I do think some of the source music may have not been re-recorded, like the Debbie Reynolds songs, etc.

But if you have a source for this information, I would be interested in reading about it.



The Debbie Reynolds numbers are slightly different in the movie. "What Was Your Name in the States" has some different lyrics in the movie itself, and "Wait For the Hoedown" also has a different ending to the Rhino release.
So, these must have been re-recorded for the original album?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

The Silva recording of selections from the score is dreadful. It's impossible to believe that those who made it had ever heard the original. And the Czech chorus sounds as though they're gargling with Scrabble tiles.

I also like Alan Silvestri's version of the Overture on the ROMANCING THE STONE soundtrack.


Did Silvestri rerecord that? Since Romancing The Stone was a Fox film, I just figured the fillmmakers just tracked in Newman's version.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

I just thought of another anomally in the Rhino release.

One of my favourite pieces in the movie is missing!

There is a scene towards the end of the movie where Zeb and his family are riding in the wagon to pick up Lillith from the station. As they pass through the landscape with the tall chimneys, the music wells up in a breathtaking passage.

Why was this not on the Rhino album ?


A couple of shots of "How the West Was Won"'s original home....the London Casino.
It had it's world premiere there on November 1st, 1962. As you can see from the photo, it's in it's 3rd great year here.
Today, the Casino has reverted to a live theatre, and is called the Prince Edward theatre.....currently housing the stage version of "Mary Poppins".



 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


A couple of shots of "How the West Was Won"'s original home....the London Casino.
It had it's world premiere there on November 1st, 1962. As you can see from the photo, it's in it's 3rd great year here.


Thanks for those great Casino Cinerama photos CH-CD. I was there in 1962 and remember those long queues for people buying advance tickets. Seeing HTWWW on the Cinerama screen then was a thrilling experience. What a great cinema that was. I went to see every Cinerama film that played at the Casino from HTWWW onwards.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2007 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


A couple of shots of "How the West Was Won"'s original home....the London Casino.
It had it's world premiere there on November 1st, 1962. As you can see from the photo, it's in it's 3rd great year here.


Thanks for those great Casino Cinerama photos CH-CD. I was there in 1962 and remember those long queues for people buying advance tickets. Seeing HTWWW on the Cinerama screen then was a thrilling experience. What a great cinema that was. I went to see every Cinerama film that played at the Casino from HTWWW onwards.



It was a great theatre wasn't it Doug, with a unique atmosphere. I have many happy memories of it, and spent many happy hours amongst it's plush red velvet.
I can still remember the thrill of seeing - and hearing for the first time "How the West Was Won" 's fabulous Main Titles on that huge screen. Totally Gobsmacking!

Shall we go inside? I have the tickets.....two on the centre aisle in Row:G.
Here we are.....can you see alright?.....





 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2007 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

The Silva recording of selections from the score is dreadful. It's impossible to believe that those who made it had ever heard the original. And the Czech chorus sounds as though they're gargling with Scrabble tiles.

I also like Alan Silvestri's version of the Overture on the ROMANCING THE STONE soundtrack.


Did Silvestri rerecord that? Since Romancing The Stone was a Fox film, I just figured the fillmmakers just tracked in Newman's version.

Greg Espinoza


"How the West Was Won" was an MGM film. Fox may have paid for the rights to use the music or Silvestri "might have" rerecorded it, but it sounds like the original to me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2007 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

This title remains available at Rhino for $24.98.

http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=72458

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2007 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Here' an eBay auction item good until Nov. 25:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ost-How-The-West-Was-Won-2-cd-sealed-sammy-cahn_W0QQitemZ180180836270QQihZ008QQcategoryZ1049QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2007 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   paulw   (Member)

Thanx CH-CD for the interior shots. Looks like a great viewing theater. Not like some of the "crapaplexes" these days..

 
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