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Well folks, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse with this DVD with "Piddle, Twiddle And Resolve" butchered back to the theatrical cut, Hunt has also taken out the wonderful reconstructed Overture/Entr'acte that Joe Caps assembled, on the grounds that it wasn't part of the original vision. This in spite of the fact that from Hunt's own voice on the LD commentary he says the Overture and Entr'acte were originally planned. How does Hunt get around this? He says in effect that he was lying all throughout the interview with Joe Caps and being polite the whole while when in fact he was supposedly pissed off for what Joe Caps supposedly did that didn't live up to his standards of what he wanted the edit to be and almost considered suing but decided in the end the cut was good enough just for having "Cool Men" back in.
What's more, Hunt is now claiming that he never saw the LD cut until he and Joe Caps sat down to do the commentary.
This is bunk. Listen closely to the LD and you hear a man who knows exactly what he's seeing and more importantly KNOWS what's being put back into the film. He even comments at one point at how impressed he is that everything that could be found that was shot was accounted for except for the five second transitional scene after "Cool Men." That is the remark of a man who didn't go into that screening with blinders on, no matter how much he might like to rewrite history now.
Another curiosity from Hunt. Adams' Tom Paine quote, which goes over a visual of Jefferson looking out the window and a child comes up, is also out. Hunt claims that Peter Stone wanted this but it didn't work. But I refer all of you to your LD and there in Hunt's own voice, you hear him taking credit for that particular scene and on another occasion referring to Tom Paine as the important off-screen presence of the film in addition to Washington.
So what does all this mean in addition to the fact that Hunt is butchering "1776" even more than we could have imagined? It means that Peter Hunt is a very devious individual who because of his determination to force his own "personal" cut of "1776" down our throats has now decided that Joe Capporicio, who went to the trouble of rescuing this movie from oblivion in the first place, must now be depicted as this evil man who forced Hunt into doing something he didn't approve of. That is one interpretation I am not buying for a minute. The manner in which Hunt has so arrogantly acted on this project is a monumental disgrace.
Peter Hunt can take his precious "director's cut" that butchers this film back into an imperfect work as his little monument to his massive ego and put it in an appropriate place. One place it won't EVER be is on my shelf nor will it ever be seen by me, and hopefully not by any fan of this musical and movie. Save up for DVD burners to preserve the true cut, and God bless Joe Capporicio for giving us the only version that deserves to be seen!
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I wouldn't now which version of "a lover" is better Howard. I do know that either is preferable to the faux French accent Jefferson gives it on the 1997 Broadway revival CD.
Has anyone ever picked up the LP of the original London cast and made a CD burn?
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You think, just maybe, that Peter Hunt is the true, evil CEO of ENRON??
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I have a feeling that a lot of what was attributed to Jack Warner, is really Peter Hunt's fault. Screw him! I'll never buy that DVD. "Nevah!"
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Feb 4, 2002 - 11:04 PM
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CH-CD
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"But I would indeed add the missing parts sung by David to the Cullum vocal, change in key notwithstanding."
Ah yes, the "faces from Nantucket, Boston." line. But if I remember right, those lyrics don't even appear in the current libretto which always made me think it was a tweak made to the song after the cast album was recorded during the Broadway production. That's happened before with other shows where the cast album ends up with a version not part of the final version ("Man Of La Mancha" with "What Do You Want Of Me" instead of "What Does He Want Of Me").
Oh, and what's your solution on how to get the "Talk, Talk" bit put on? (Pre-recorded for the film but the sequence was never shot according to Joe Caps, indicating a screenplay change before shooting)
"Interesting, for I have always felt from the get-go that the film's The Egg was light years superior to the cast album's."
Isn't that more because the cast album doesn't give you the whole of Franklin's ranting about the eagle? 
As for "He Plays THe Violin" that's the one number where there was a key change from the Broadway version that I felt was markedly inferior to the Broadway versions. The different keys on "Momma Look Sharp" and "Molasses To Rum" grew on me after awhile and I have no problem with them now.
"WHOA. We is gonna hafta get ah li'l paws on a copy o' dat. Has it by any chance ever been broadcast on one of those PBS shows?"
No, but what I got was the full excerpts performed from a collector who has compilation tapes of nothing but full Broadway numbers performed on the Sullivan show down through the years. (PBS and the TV Land repeats never present the full numbers always cutting out dialogue lead ins and cast intros). Here's a sampling of what's on the particular tapes I got from him.
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #1
1. My Fair Lady (July 15, 1956)
2. My Fair Lady (March 3, 1957)
3. My Fair Lady (March 19, 1961)
4. West Side Story (November 2, 1958)
5. Flower Drum Song (December 14, 1958)
6. Destry Rides Again (May 10, 1959)
7. Bye Bye Birdie (June 12, 1960)
8. Bye Bye Birdie (November 13, 1960)
9. Do Re Mi (January 1, 1961)
10. Wildcat (August 6, 1961)
11. Camelot (March 19, 1961)
12. The Gay Life (December 17, 1961)
13. A Family Affair (February 11, 1962)
14. The Sound Of Music (November 4, 1962)
15. Little Me (March 17, 1963)
16. Oliver! (February 9, 1964)
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #2
1. Man Of La Mancha (February 20, 1966)
2. A Time For Singing (May 29, 1966)
3. Annie Get Your Gun (September 25, 1966)
4. Sweet Charity (October 2, 1966)
5. Sweet Charity (March 5, 1967)
6. Hello Dolly! (January 22, 1967) (Ginger Rogers)
7. Hello Dolly! (December 10, 1967) (Pearl Bailey)
8. Ilya Darling (April 30, 1967)
9. How Now Dow Jones (January 14, 1968)
10. You're A Good Man Charlie Brown (October 6, 1968)
11. Hair (March 30, 1969)
12. Paint Your Wagon (October 5, 1969) (Movie Excerpt) (Clint Eastwood)
13. George M (May 19, 1968)
14. Purlie (November 1, 1970)
15. 1776 (October 4, 1970)
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #3
1. South Pacific (March 8, 1964)
2. A Tree Grows In Brooklyn (August 12, 1951)
3. On Your Toes (November 14, 1954)
4. New Faces Of 1952 (June 1, 1952)
5. Wish You Were Here (May 17, 1953)
6. The Pajama Game (August 22, 1954)
7. My Fair Lady (March 3, 1957)
8. My Fair Lady (March 15, 1959)
9. Alladin (March 9, 1958)
10. Camelot (June 23, 1963)
11. Bye Bye Birdie (November 13, 1960)
12. The Unsinkable Molly Brown (January 14, 1968) (Tammy Grimes performing a couple numbers)
13. Do Re Mi (October 22, 1961)
14. No Strings (November 4, 1962)
15. Stop The World I Want To Get Off (December 9, 1962)
Mr.Paddon, Dear Mr.Paddon,
Your announcement that you are in possession of such marvellous historical tapes fills me with awe and , not to put too fine a point on it, downright jealousy ! I would deem it a huge personal favour to myself sir if you could furnish me with details of how I might obtain copies of these tapes for myself. I have long dreamed of obtaining such riches from the colonies for many years. I thank you for your kind attention and look forward to a favourable reply.
Till then,I am, as I ever was, and ever shall be....yours.......yours,,,,etc.
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There is a full set (13 cards) of 11x14 full-bleed color lobby cards for "1776" on auction at eBay...at good prices for the time being!!
Just search "lobby set" and scroll down on page 2.
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...aah...ON A CLEAR DAY... now there's a movie I would like to see restored to director, Vincente Minnelli's cut..perhaps with Jack Nicholson's vocal restored (along with Larry Blyden's).
ONLY if they edit out the annoying performance of Babs Striesand! I find her unwatchable.
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As more details of this saga come out, what we're seeing is a very sorry story of how (a) 1776 fans pushed Columbia for a DVD release, wanting the expanded LD duplicated, since Columbia had incredibly forgot all about that (b) Hunt then somehow got into the act and decided the DVD was now going to be to his specifications which was NOT what the people who lobbied Columbia for a DVD in the first place wanted.
So, what are WE going to do about it? Do we write Columbia and tell them that we aren't going to stand for this nonsense? Let's all write them. Anyone know exactly WHO we should be writing?
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So, what are WE going to do about it? Do we write Columbia and tell them that we aren't going to stand for this nonsense? Let's all write them. Anyone know exactly WHO we should be writing?
I for one wish I had the time and energy to figure out who to write to at Columbia, and the resources to get some kind of petition organized. Unfortunately I don't. But we do have at least five to six months before this piece of crap comes out, so there is time to try and band together collectively to perhaps submit some kind of form letter to Columbia reflecting our anger over this.
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July 4 will be here sooner than we know it!
LET THE CASTING BEGIN!
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Mar 4, 2002 - 1:57 AM
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Joe E.
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Well, drat. I've been wanting to see 1776 for a long time, as I think I've mentioned on this board before; many years ago I saw a little bit of it and was intrigued by the very idea of a musical about the American Revolution, although the only details I can recall now are the lines "In the middle of the day?" and "We still do some things in Boston!," along with bits of their contexts. I've been wanting to watch the whole thing, but from the looks of this thread I'd be better off avoiding the DVD when it arrives. Those of you who love the film, do you think it would be preferable to see the film any way one can, even in the forthcoming gutted version, or should I just avoid it altogether unless and until an opportunity to watch the laserdisc cut presents itself? (I do in fact have a laserdisc player, so if I had access to the LD itself I'd be able to watch it, but I don't foresee that happening anytime soon, given the availability of most LDs, to say nothing of my budget.)
Generally I'm inclined to defend a filmmaker's right to alter his/her past works, even if for the worse (see the '"REVISIONISM"...aka..SPIELBERG....' thread), but it does sound from the comments I've seen here as though this Peter Hunt is being offensive in ways far beyond mere artistic misjudgement (and I note also that his IMDB listing includes such masterpiece credentials as Baywatch Nights, so I'm somewhat inclined to view him as less than visionary  - but in fairness, I'm really not all that acquainted with his work).
While on the subject, I should admit here that I've never seen Lawrence of Arabia (!!! - yes, yes, I know, I know - but hey, it predates me by six years, Ok???), but I've long wanted to, and have never had a proper opportunity; I was so certain I'd love the film that I planned to buy the Criterion laserdisc, sight unseen, back in that era, but I never did get around to it (it was a hefty chunk of change, after all, and I had no shortage of other things to spend the money on, alas). Now there's the mostly-highly-praised DVD edition, but people at this very board have unearthed what is, for many of them, a ruinous (and inexplicable) flaw with the score at a crucial moment. Having not seen the film at all, and having no other opportunity to do so (save VHS - yecch), and knowing something now of what the music is supposed to do during that scene, do any of you LoA enthusiasts think I should go ahead and permit myself to watch/get the existing DVD, or should I hold out for the next über-deluxe edition of this landmark at some indeterminate future date, perhaps even on some other format?
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I would recommend just getting LOA anyway right now because even though I'm familiar with the glitch it is something one can live with, since this film is so well-regarded that a new version further down the line is not difficult to fathom (which is not the case with "1776")
If anyone ever wants a VHS dub of the "1776" LD, I'm always happy to do that in return for a CD burn of an OOP score I don't have and am looking for.
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Joe...take Eric up on his offer for a VHS dub of 1776. It's wonderful!
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