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 Posted:   Nov 24, 2008 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Without getting into the the core substance of the thread (he said deftly evasively), I would be curious to know if anybody else thinks that the "Goblins" themes of each are practically identical. That is, to my ears, each is cut from the very same cloth.

Thats a generalization based on overall sound - playful, mischievious, and treacherous.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2008 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Without getting into the the core substance of the thread (he said deftly evasively), I would be curious to know if anybody else thinks that the "Goblins" themes of each are practically identical. That is, to my ears, each is cut from the very same cloth.

Thats a generalization based on overall sound - playful, mischievious, and treacherous.


I can support that perspective. Similar intentions perhaps.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2008 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)



...I like Tangerine Dream's score better than Goldsmith's.

No, wait... that's not entirely accurate. I think, as an album to be listened to away from the film, Goldsmith runs circles around the Dream. And certainly his "Dress Waltz" is leagues ahead of the circus calliope crap in the U.S. version. But on top of such a sumptuous film, Goldsmith's score seems on occasion to be too much frosting overpowering an otherwise richly flavorful cake.

There is a simplicity and directness to Tangerine Dream's score that, in my opinion, just suits Scott's fantasy textures better within the film. No, I don't really like the electric guitars much... and yes, I think it rather forces its overt "accessibility" at points. But on the whole, I think it serves the film better.

Now I think I am going to duck under my desk while all the Goldsmith fanatics sharpen their knives.


Well said. We own both and I prefer TD to Goldsmith's score in re: to the film. And with that said, do not behead me. Thank you.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2008 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

To my ears the TD score is so bad that it is laughable. To compare it to Goldsmith's enchantingly gorgeous score is beneath contempt.
Goldsmith elevates a rather banal film to almost a work of art.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Matt Perkins.   (Member)

To my ears the TD score is so bad that it is laughable. To compare it to Goldsmith's enchantingly gorgeous score is beneath contempt.
Goldsmith elevates a rather banal film to almost a work of art.



I could not agree more with this statement.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   joffa   (Member)

To compare it to Goldsmith's enchantingly gorgeous score is beneath contempt.

And yet, the fact that both scores were composed for the same film (albeit different edits of the same film) makes the comparison inevitable, no?

FWIW, I grew up with the Goldsmith score (in Australia, we got the 20th Century Fox distributed European cut of the film) and so the TD score is always the one which seems alien in the film to me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

Goldsmith Legend - bad
TD Legend - better.

Goldsmith's Legend sounds like a train wreck and destroys the ambiance of the film. While I don't care for the TD vocals in Legend (and it's not one of TD's better scores), the music fits the film.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)



Yes, ignoring the statement because of a misspelling makes you the winner. That suit of armor you're wearing must be completely empty if thats the case.


What on earth is your problem?

I wrote a comment that I couldn't disagree more with an individual who wrote that all 80s scores should sound like Goldsmith. And you want me to write an EXPLANATION why I mean what I mean? Why should I?

Perhaps you never have posted a one-line response in a thread ever in your life? You explain everything thoroughly and carefully?

I really don't have time for stupid quarrels like this.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Like Lionheart, I had listened to Goldsmith's Legend countless times before seeing the movie and, just as in the case of Lionheart, I had imagined a far grander, more magical film than the one which was actually put to film. Needless to say that the expectations set up by the Goldsmith score made the actual viewing experience even more frustrating and unrewarding. What a wretched concoction this movie is.

Last year I finally saw the European cut with Goldsmith's score and I should never have even bothered as the sound editing and mix of the score is patchwork at best. To be honest, the TD "score" is so beyond ambient sound wash that I can't even recall it at all for sake of comparison.

In the end it (the TD music) just may have complimented the film better than Goldsmith's but it really doesn't matter. The film was a disaster, and the producers obviously knew it, so they did the one thing producers do when faced with a stink bomb. Tinker with the only thing they can in post production... the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   miguel   (Member)

Goldsmith Legend - bad
TD Legend - better.

Goldsmith's Legend sounds like a train wreck and destroys the ambiance of the film. While I don't care for the TD vocals in Legend (and it's not one of TD's better scores), the music fits the film.


Of course. The film is sheer crap, so it was perfectly fitted by the sheer crap written by Tangerine Dream. As usual, Goldsmith wrote music for the film that could have been but wasn't. I can't believe this sort of agressive "neocon" revival of bad taste all of a sudden.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Stereotypical result of a FSM board arguement

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

maybe it has something to do with the cut we saw. I've always seen the euro cut with JG score (and now the Director Cut, which is the best of the ¿3? ¿4? ¿5 cuts?).

anybody else thinks that the "Goblins" themes of each are practically identical

You mean TD cue is identical to JG cue, cause the later came first.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

You mean TD cue is identical to JG cue, cause the later came first.

No I don`t. I didn`t reference chronology, just the similarity.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

TD'S "Music"= Total trash, crummmy, bad music that destroys any magic that Scott attempted to instill in "Legend"


Goldsmith's Music= Well, His music is masterful, to even compare the two scores is an insult to Goldsmith's genius.

How can one compare a genius to a hack?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   IloveJerry   (Member)

Way to go Big Bear. Though I don't agree, the music goes perfect with the movie. Dream doesn't capture that dreamlike, fariytail state that Goldsmith gives, maybe its a little repetitious
but Goldsmith was always repetitious.

I was in England 10 years ago, staying with a friend. Once I caught a glimpse of his VCR the idea came into my mind- UK kept Goldsmith score. The first place I went into had it- watched it and said


Tangerine Dream sucks, Goldsmith is a master.


"Goldsmiths repetition is sweet nectar."
James Dean

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Way to go Big Bear. Though I don't agree, the music goes perfect with the movie. Dream doesn't capture that dreamlike, fariytail state that Goldsmith gives, maybe its a little repetitious
but Goldsmith was always repetitious.



Bahahahahahah!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

Repetitious? Doesn't that mean thematic?

Get a fucking clue.

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2008 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Irregular verb alert!

My favourite composer is thematic
Your favourite composer is repetitious

And mind your language - there's a lady present. And a very discerning, one, too. wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2008 - 2:10 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

However Goldsmith's is far superior in my opinion, I still believe "Cottage" cue by Tangerine Dream is best score representation of a fantasy forest ever.

 
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