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Is now a good time to ask for the wind machine to be re-instated on Star Trek: The Motion Picture or the synth mix to be corrected on Innerspace? :-) I seem to recall the wind machine was reduced as Goldsmith, on reflection, didn't like it (and that's why that part of the score wasn't included on the 20th Anniversary edition), so you can't argue for the mixing bowls being reinstated on THE CHALLENGE as it was Goldsmith's intent and also argue for something Goldsmith didn't like to be reinstated.
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The cult of Jerry strikes, it's powers undiminished! Hail, Jerry! No wonder he was creeped out by his fans.
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LaLaLand re-released CHALLENGE omitting takes/mixes that were on the Prometheus CD because Goldsmith wanted them that way. There is a term for releasing stuff against the wishes of the composer. And what is that term? Not for anything, but the artist is almost always the worst judge of the work. BTW, if labels really stuck with the strict intent of "the composer," in this case Mr. Goldsmith, most of these releases and expansions would never happen. According to interviews, Goldsmith never wanted his complete scores released and certainly didn't want the market flooded with his scores (he would have hated the TMP release). As someone who enjoys his work, would you like it if the labels stuck strictly to his wishes and refrained from "releasing stuff against the wishes of the composer?" Because, you wouldn't wind up with much at all from the Goldsmith back catalog.
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Hi folks This is not a score or movie that I know nothing about - and as such was not going to buy the CD. However, firstly, as the score features Tibetan Singing Bowls that makes a big difference. Tibetan singing bowls sound awesome! If you haven't heard one being 'played' live I would recommend you do so as soon as possible. They are obviously powerful otherwise why all this fuss! Secondly, this is such a generous offer from La-La Land Records that it needs to be supported. Regards
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Congratulation to LaLaLand!
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Spymaters: It's well known that Goldsmith didn't want the Steiner cues on his original album or extension of ST:TMP. The inclusion of the wind machine would, I suspect, have been the least of his concerns with the 3-discer. Is this really correct? Bill Wrobel runs a wonderful site where he examines sheet music from donations to places, and vaults. He has an extensive page on ST:TMP: http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/goldsmith/startrek.pdf According to his list, the following cues from the original presentation, were by (written or adapted) Steiner: "End Titles" And on the extended one, the following are his written/adapted efforts: "Vejur Speaks" "A Good Start" "End Title" (assuming some cues were not re-titled for the expansion) The following cues, according to Wrobel's site, were Steiner efforts: "Goodbye Klingons" "Goodbye Epsilon Nine" "Pre-Launch Countdown"?(revised version) "Warp Point Eight" "Warp Point Nine" "Meet Vejur" "System Inoperative" "Hidden Information" "Vejur Speaks" "A Good Start" "End Title" (What's with all this "Vejur"? It was "Voyager", covered up with "space dust", so leaving out the letters, it should be "V'ger") And the Alexander Courage efforts were four cues.
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It's well known that Goldsmith didn't want the Steiner cues on his original album or extension of ST:TMP. The inclusion of the wind machine would, I suspect, have been the least of his concerns with the 3-discer. I would say that's a popular assumption on the part of fans who don't really actually know. I'd rather hear it from Goldsmith himself (via some old interview/article) or from someone who worked with him on various releases, like Mike M., before "spreading it around" that "Goldsmith didn't want the Steiner cues on his original album."
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The funny thing for me is that if it wasn't pointed out, I never would have known the instruments were missing from the cues. They are still perfectly good pieces of music and now that I've heard both versions, I can't say it seriously damages the cue on way or another. It's still a damned fine score. Ah well....
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