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| This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Ben-Hur |
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Jan 23, 2014 - 10:39 PM
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Grog
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I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Second, the tempo is varied,, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Grog
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Jan 23, 2014 - 10:40 PM
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Grog
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I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Second, the tempo is varied,, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Grog
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Jan 23, 2014 - 11:29 PM
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I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Second, the tempo is varied,, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Grog
You say "I'll pass" which suggests you don't have it and have been judging from clips.
Sounds like you must have been listening to clips of the "extra" albums in the set, as opposed to the original soundtrack discs.
If not, you're talking gibberish.
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I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Second, the tempo is varied,, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Grog
God knows what he's listening to, but it certainly ain't FSM's release of Ben Hur.
Which is just about perfect.
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Do you ever, without paranoia, wonder about some posts as 'plants'?
Y'know, could it be that a hacker has a way to draw certain posters to a thread for the sake of infiltrating the account for spam or trojans or the like?
Or industrial expionage? Some rival bootlegger who wants to nobble a release of his rivals?
I get those feelings sometimes. I consult my anti-virals and firewalls on those occasions. It's comforting.
I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
Well, if you're unaffected, you've clearly won the argument from the start. Stab the fellow, then tell him to defend himself. You'll show us all, eh? We, in return for your exalted enlightenment, what can WE give YOU? I know ... we'll teach you to spell his name right. That'll stand you in good stead.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
Cock-a-doodle-doo. But mostly minus the '-a-doodle-doo' bit.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Since you haven't actually GOT it, and it's limited edition, you haven't heard it. You've heard MP3s off the nettie. OR ... you've gained your extensive knowledge of the score from listening over and over again to the same source which has a wrong transfer rate .... maybe a VHS?
'Look at all the soldiers in the passing-out parade Joe. They're all out of step except our Johnnie. Aren't you proud?'
Second, the tempo is varied, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The tempo is exactly as it should be and on the OST. Have you been listening to the alternative takes? You've been listening to the alternative takes, haven't you? Go on, you have, haven't you?
Are you a musician? Do you know how many different tempi there are in a score this length anyway?
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Oh, well, since Rozsa cut and re-edited much of the film score for the final cut, those 'extras' including the LPs contain a lot of music that was chopped from the film, so I think they'll matter.
D'ye know, my Anti-Viral search has just opened of its own accord. Hopefully a coincidence.
Who's paying you?
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Jan 24, 2014 - 11:30 PM
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Dana Wilcox
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I have an issue with this release and you can agree or not, I sit here unaffected.
For 40 years, this has been my favourite film. Not just for the picture presentation but assuredly for the score Mr Roza provided.
As to the score, I know every inkling of tempo, cadence and synapse utilized. I know the second the french horns and trumpets cut in, out and pause, I know every drum beat and the seconds between them. I know when the bloody triangle is used.
This VERSION of such an acclaimed piece, does not.
This sounds like nit-picking, I suppose it is. But when you wish to close your eyes and hear exactly the score you fell in love with, you will not do so here.
First, it is too fast, the cadence is wrong. I thought perhaps I was listening to it at 45 rpm vs 331/3 rpm for example.
Second, the tempo is varied,, no way Miklos would let that happen.
No, sorry, I'll pass.
The idea of the extras is nice but if they can't get the basics right, all the extras won't matter.
Grog
Portrait of a troll, having a good laugh under the bridge at the furor he's caused. Attention must not be paid.
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Nov 24, 2014 - 2:06 PM
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litefoot
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Among the 90 scores he wrote many remain obscure and hard to find. It would be wonderful if these lost gems were found and offered to all Rozsa fans to enjoy. Knight Without Armour (1937), The Four Feathers (1939), Lydia (1941), Lady Hamilton (1941), Four Graves to Cairo (1943), Sahara (1943), Dark Waters (1944), A Double Life (1947) that won him an Oscar, The Red Danube (1949), Beau Brummell (1954).
Hi ClassicMovieFan: Sadly, most of those 1940s scores no longer have surviving master tapes.
Not sure if Lukas will see this post but I'll ask on the off chance... Lukas, are you able to say which of these films have no surviving master tapes? (I know FSM have done Red Danube and Beau Brummel). Thanks! 
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Well it was one of the source cues recorded (outdoors?) in Rome, as opposed the the bulk of the score which sounds great, recorded in Hollywood.
Yavar
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But why the difference between album version and isolated blu-ray version of the music for the parade sequence
Disc II, track 16 features the complete original recording of the Parade of the Charioteers, which was spliced (rather audibly using the old scissors-and-tape method of the 1950s) to fit the film sequence. Disc IV, track 17 features the trimmed-down film version, this time digitally edited by Mike Matessino and Neil Bulk.
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