No apologies necessary, especially since you're a great supporter of The Goldsmith Odyssey. I also listened to and enjoyed this part; hadn't realized David left it out or I would have shared it myself. Looking forward to your next conversation with Neil whenever that happens; I think your chats with him are my favorite episodes of A Score to Settle! (In general I prefer you in unscripted conversation, over doing solo scripted shows...but that's just my general preference with any podcast I think.)
No apologies necessary, especially since you're a great supporter of The Goldsmith Odyssey. I also listened to and enjoyed this part; hadn't realize David left it out or I would have shared it myself. Looking forward to your next conversation with Neil whenever that happens; I think your chats with him are my favorite episodes of A Score to Settle! (In general I prefer you in unscripted conversation, over doing solo scripted shows...but that's just my general preference with any podcast I think.)
Thanks Yavar! Those interview episodes do allow for more off-the-cuff conversations and I like that back and forth with a guest, it's more freewheeling than when I write myself a script to follow on the solo episodes. Of course I now have to disappoint you by mentioning my next two episodes are just me!
This is brilliant! All these interviews are great but these two latest episodes really were a complete joy to listen from start to finish! I would gladly hear these guys talk every day!
Great show, as always! Thanks, Neil S. Bulk and all the other members for all the hard work! The final product is always impeccable!
Thanks, Yavar and the Gang! This is my favorite podcast ever.
This is way overdue, but it took time to compile. For specific tracks used in both parts of the Neil S. Bulk interview, please consult this Google Doc for a thorough breakdown, with links to where you might find (almost?) everything we sampled.
Also, if your episode auto-downloaded, but you haven't listened yet, I'd re-download. This was a last minute job, and end-of-the-month rush, and we caught (and fixed!) a few after-the-fact errors we, and Neil himself, caught. Minor as they may have been, you might as well hear the right stuff!
SHOW NOTES Ever wonder what a ballet set to the music of Capricorn One might be like? For our latest Gold Nugget, Jens sits down with film critic and film music enthusiast Bryan Erdy, who talks about his pair of first-hand encounters with Jerry Goldsmith, conversations with other notable film composers (including Michael Giacchino, Danny Elfman, and Tom Holkenborg) who expressed admiration for Jerry, frightening Hans Zimmer, witnessing the aforementioned ballet Belling the Slayer, and writing a memorial tribute to Jerry that reached a far wider audience than anticipated. This one is full of entertaining stories and touching memories, so give it a click!
Music in this episode:
0:00:00 - Psycho: A Suite For Strings - Prelude (Bernard Herrmann)
0:01:33 - Psycho II - Mother’s Room (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:02:20 - Patrick - Suite (Brian May
0:08:28 - Star Trek (2009) - Enterprising Young Men (Michael Giacchino)
0:10:00 - Basic Instinct - Main Title (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:14:00 - Gremlins - The Gremlin Rag (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:15:21 - Hoosiers - Theme From Hoosiers (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:17:41 - The Lonely Guy - House Hunting (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:20:18 - Meet the Robinsons - The Year 3000 (The Jonas Brothers)
0:23:13 - The Dark Knight Symphony - Put A Smile On That Face (Hans Zimmer)
0:27:25 - 300: Rise of an Empire - Marathon (Junkie XL aka Tom Holkenborg)
0:30:43 - Rambo: First Blood Part II - Main Title (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:31:31 - Total Recall - The Dream (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:40:30 - Star Trek: Voyager - Main Theme (Concert Version) (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:44:52 - Capricorn One - Main Title (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:47:44 - Capricorn One - The Message (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:49:48 - Capricorn One - Break Out (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:52:12 - The Illustrated Man - Main Title (Jerry Goldsmith)
0:53:50 - Medicine Man - Rae’s Arrival (Jerry Goldsmith)
1:01:18 - The Salamander - Funeral: Requiem for a General (Jerry Goldsmith)
I have just listened to the recent episode. I have to say that, ehmmm ... I am disapointed. I hardly can find insight information about the man and his music. IMHO this is only a boring interview of a huge Goldsmith fan (don´t want to bother Brian, I am a Goldsmith nerd too). But what´s the added value of talking personal concert experiences? You guys have proved several times before, that you can do it way better. You have set the benchmark very high in the other episodes - and I feel that I have to remind this. Don´t waste your time: Come on and go back to the scores!
Rüdiger, I completely agree. This episode was never meant to be branded as an Odyssey Interview, but rather as a more casual "Gold Nugget" (the sub series where I do whatever I feel like), but Yavar insisted.
Screw it, I'm changing it. It's been out for less than a day.
As far as "going back to the scores," one thing I can assure you and everyone else is that this episode did nothing to hold up the production of regular episodes. It's something I did on the side completely independently. Regular episodes are on Yavar and team at this point, and I am bugging them about this as much as I can already.
Hi Rüdiger -- thanks for your continued support and I'm sorry you were disappointed in this one. I feel I must accept some responsibility for how you received it. Jens actually planned this as a more casual/informal "bonus" Gold Nugget #7. It's pretty much his little side series (well, Gold Nugget #6 wasn't little, and it is one of our most popular episodes!) and he does whatever strikes his fancy with it. In this case friend of the show Bryan Erdy had expressed interest in sharing his stories with Jens, and Jens took him up on it! (why not??)
While listening to Jens's initial draft, my reaction was, "Jens, this really is an outright Interview, not a Nugget really -- you should just add it to the Interviews series!" His feeling was that since Bryan was basically a fellow fan and they were really having an informal fun conversation, it was more of a Nugget. But I pointed out that Bryan had worked as a professional interviewer and such. I have long wanted my fellow Goldsmith Odyssey colleagues to take the torch and do some of their own Odyssey Interview episodes; it was never intended as exclusively *my* sub-show. (That's why I welcomed David to join me for the Neil S. Bulk interview, since he was interested.) And this seemed like an Interview to me...Clark later agreed too, and David only chimed in with his vote for it being a Nugget after Jens had already published and posted here.
So...a little more behind-the-scenes info than maybe you care about. But I see now that Jens has changed this back to being Gold Nugget 7. As a friendly chat between Goldsmith fans, with stories about interacting with Jerry at concerts and especially the Belling the Slayer stuff which I'm fascinated by, I personally really enjoyed it even though my only real contribution was apparently not a helpful one! (Sorry Jens!)
Rüdiger, I completely agree. This episode was never meant to be branded as an Odyssey Interview, but rather as a more casual "Gold Nugget" (the sub series where I do whatever I feel like), but Yavar insisted.
I would say I more "suggested", and solicited Clark and David to weigh in... but yeah it was a bad call on my part Jens! Funny that we both worked on a reply to Rüdiger at the same time.
You know very well that David and I are recording another Odyssey Interview tomorrow night, and that there are at least two important reasons we are holding off a bit on a new regular episode.
Well, I'm now up to Part 17 ? The Leonard Slatkin Interview. But before I play it I feel I should say something about what has gone before. With a lot of this early stuff I find that a couple of minutes after I've played a cue I cannot remember it at all. It might have helped if I could describe the music, but I'm really only one of life's listeners. The Part I enjoyed the most was Jens playing bits of an Anime CD and comparing it to pieces of Leviathan. I'd forgotten how wonderful that score was, or maybe its because it is vibrant and in STEREO, which for the most part all the early episodes are not. The part where Yavar pleads for Goldsmith support for an Intrada re-record almost had my support but suffice it to say I voted elsewhere. To be honest I can't remember which choices I voted for except it was Dial M in the number one spot. This was not because I felt the Goldsmith choices had no merit, but I rightly expected almost overwhelming support from others on these boards and wanted to help other scores to see the light of day. There will always be demand for Goldsmith re-records. It has taken me some time to get through all the 16 parts so far, and partly to be able to bathe in STEREO recordings I jumped ahead to play Golden Nuggets 6 out of sequence. The Swarm tracks were sublime and kind of a reward for sticking with the project. I don't want it to sound as if I'm not a Goldsmith fan, as that is how I would describe myself. Up to the end of 2010 I'd got pretty much all of his CDs, and again from 2017 onwards with the Quartet Russia House issue, and have acquired most of the issues in-between. A joke is made in one of the early episodes about an expanded issue of King Solomon's Mines and how that was not really what the world needed. I don't have this issue so speaking personally I certainly do need it. I probably have a tin ear for the subtleties of a lot of the library cues that Goldsmith composed, but the basic information imparted by the hosts and guests was highly useful including the backgrounds of some of the characters involved at the studios and the efforts of some of those true fans who have devoted years to collecting and assembling cue snippets. All those involved truly deserve an award of some kind. I long for the day that I play an episode where I do remember the cues. Maybe I'll have to wait until The Man from U.N.C.L.E. to be able to open channel D, or have my trousers pressed. Keep up the good work.
Well, I'm now up to Part 17 ? The Leonard Slatkin Interview. But before I play it I feel I should say something about what has gone before. With a lot of this early stuff I find that a couple of minutes after I've played a cue I cannot remember it at all. It might have helped if I could describe the music, but I'm really only one of life's listeners.
For me, these are the most memorable melodies/cues of the podcasts you've gone through...maybe these are the exceptions to your saying "a lot of this early stuff"? Or maybe if you play them again here they'll stand out to you more:
I think this main theme from Black Patch (which can be sweeping and romantic in the love scenes heard starting at 1:08 of this suite, strident and powerful as at the beginning and very end of the film, or even in one cue not included in this suite, mysterious and threatening) is absolutely wonderful and memorable, an A-list melody from Goldsmith's top drawer.
Mitsu's theme from Perry Mason's "The Curse of the Blushing Pearls" is such a gorgeous gem, Goldsmith reused it twice (as the Chinese Love Theme in The Sand Pebbles and as "My Secret" from Anna and the King).
I think City of Fear and Face of a Fugitive are *wonderful* scores, don't get me wrong (with the latter being Jerry's most "Golden Age" sounding of his entire career I think), but nothing in them is quite on the level of those two themes in terms of memorability, IMO. And what about "The Big Tall Wish" from the Twilight Zone? I found that extremely memorable, melodically...another A+ Goldsmith composition for me is his setting of the poem "The Highwayman" for the 1489 Words radio episode we covered in our Episode 0. Was that not memorable for you either?
The Part I enjoyed the most was Jens playing bits of an Anime CD and comparing it to pieces of Leviathan. I'd forgotten how wonderful that score was, or maybe its because it is vibrant and in STEREO, which for the most part all the early episodes are not. The part where Yavar pleads for Goldsmith support for an Intrada re-record almost had my support but suffice it to say I voted elsewhere.
It's Clark who recorded it so wonderfully, not I! (And Jens edited as he did all Goldsmith Odyssey stuff in those days.) Sad to hear we didn't win your support in that Intrada poll...but luckily Goldsmith still won the poll handily anyway. Jens will be very glad to hear you've taken to his Nugget episodes!
To be honest I can't remember which choices I voted for except it was Dial M in the number one spot.
Sorry to break it to you, but I guess you don't even remember your number one choice, because Dial M wasn't an option in the poll, because it was already set (as the first in this new series of recordings with William Stromberg) at that point! Are you somehow confusing it with the other Tiomkin Hitchcock score, Strangers on a Train?
If you follow that link and are signed in to the Intrada forum, it'll actually tell you which three choices you voted for, by the way (they'll still be selected, and you can even change your vote if you're ever so inclined).
This was not because I felt the Goldsmith choices had no merit, but I rightly expected almost overwhelming support from others on these boards and wanted to help other scores to see the light of day. There will always be demand for Goldsmith re-records.
I certainly hope you're right, but apparently there's wasn't enough support for the Prometheus series of Goldsmith re-records, or they would have gone beyond three titles (Hour of the Gun, The Salamander, and QBVII were all *terrific* but I don't think they made back their costs, collectively at least).
It has taken me some time to get through all the 16 parts so far, and partly to be able to bathe in STEREO recordings I jumped ahead to play Golden Nuggets 6 out of sequence. The Swarm tracks were sublime and kind of a reward for sticking with the project. I don't want it to sound as if I'm not a Goldsmith fan, as that is how I would describe myself. Up to the end of 2010 I'd got pretty much all of his CDs, and again from 2017 onwards with the Quartet Russia House issue, and have acquired most of the issues in-between. A joke is made in one of the early episodes about an expanded issue of King Solomon's Mines and how that was not really what the world needed. I don't have this issue so speaking personally I certainly do need it. I probably have a tin ear for the subtleties of a lot of the library cues that Goldsmith composed, but the basic information imparted by the hosts and guests was highly useful including the backgrounds of some of the characters involved at the studios and the efforts of some of those true fans who have devoted years to collecting and assembling cue snippets. All those involved truly deserve an award of some kind. I long for the day that I play an episode where I do remember the cues. Maybe I'll have to wait until The Man from U.N.C.L.E. to be able to open channel D, or have my trousers pressed. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for the kind words and your support! Yeah, those CBS Music Library episodes wouldn't have happened without W. David Lichty and Ron Burbella, in particular. And despite not being attached to a specific story/film/episode, it turned out to be one of our most popular podcasts, so I'm really glad.
I had already started a reply here to your post, when I saw that you also sent this same first paragraph via email, plus an update in a second paragraph. I hope you won't mind if I continue my reply here on the board, and quote your email where appropriate (since content-wise it really does carry on from what you wrote here):
Addendum. Having now resumed the Odyssey I’ve played the 2 Interviews and The Gunsmoke discussions and after so much cold and clinical works I feel like I’ve hit Pay-dirt. Melody is what counts most for me. Gold Nugget 2 is another gem for me with Supergirl and Swarm and AF1. I’ll end my feedback now before I start Studs Lonigan.
Oh, you're in for a treat with Studs! Jens put extra work into editing that podcast since he loves the score so much. Originally we weren't planning to cover every cue (since the score was substantially released), but he insisted...and in retrospect I'm glad he did because that score is a masterpiece, IMO. I'm surprised (but pleased) to hear that you connected with Gunsmoke so much more than any of Jerry's previous work. Nothing in those first three episodes is quite on the level (for me, that is) of those earlier highlights I posted above, but...different strokes for different folks!
One thing that strikes me… Is there anywhere to go to in order to get details of those Japanese composers mentioned by Jens, how their names are spelt and how to spell the names of the CD Titles and maybe even the CD catalog number. It’s pretty essential for google searching. Also, when names of contributors come up can those be detailed somewhere ?. I kinda guessed correctly at Bill Wrobel and Ron Burbella but there were others I couldn’t guess at. Also thanks a lot for the heads up over Isolated Scores for TZ. I got the definitive DVD collection but had no idea that the Blu-Ray set had many more than those.
I’m also planning to buy Cliff Eidelman’s Symphony CD after listening to Yavar’s interview with him. Incidentally in Yavar’s Interview with Leonard Slatkin there was mention of his son’s Youtube contributions, but I could not find any of them?
The Funko Pop documentary Leonard mentioned him scoring was done for Netflix, so you wouldn't find it on YouTube, but here is the other one Leonard mentioned his son scoring -- Bread, Salt, and the Graphite Kid: https://www.pbs.org/video/bread-salt-and-the-graphite-kid-jinmzp/
Also after frequent mention of Easy Cues I finally realised they are EZ cues. Maybe a links page or Glossary somewhere would be in order.
Also, if you explore our website you'll notice that with Episode 17, we also started including a full cue guide for each regular episode and interview.
Well, I'm finally up to date. I can now get back to CDs (US Marshals, Swarm, e.t.c.) until the next episode of Odyssey drops into my iTunes Podcasts cave.
Thanks guys. It makes me feel so old though with all the Interviewers talking of their first Goldsmith recording and it being Star Trek or something. My first one (I think) was the Tony Thomas LP of Blue Max volume 2. At that point I'd not got the Mainstream (Volume 1) Soundtrack and had not even seen the film. Happy days. My first soundtrack of anyone's was Battle of Britain in 1969 by Ron Goodwin, bought at the cinema next to where they sold Ice Creams and chocolates. The first thing I did after that was to check if the film I was going to see had a recording on sale. I was very disappointed after Tora! Tora! Tora! to find that there was no LP. Soundtrack sections in the local Liverpool shops were very restricted in those days. One of the early exceptions was Gerhardt's Sea Hawk. What a revelation that was.
Just played the new 3 and a half hour Chris Malone Interview. Most Illuminating. I wonder who'll be the first one over 4 hours ?.
Signs point to "Whoever's next" as the answer to that, but I wouldn't exactly place bets.
Glad you enjoyed it enough to play it through!
Chris played no small part in helping us to find the clips we’ve used to illustrate what’s being discussed. Occasionally in our exchanges, he commented upon them, and I’ve included some of those in the music list below, his marked CM. This episode covers a lot, with plenty of back-and-forth on some cues. As much as I’ve tried to keep them clear in the show, the fact is, we weren’t playing the music as we spoke, so we don’t introduce the clips in the episode. Hopefully this overly detailed list will be of help, if something is mystifying as you listen.
Looking forward to your next conversation with Neil whenever that happens; I think your chats with him are my favorite episodes of A Score to Settle! (In general I prefer you in unscripted conversation, over doing solo scripted shows...but that's just my general preference with any podcast I think.)
