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I didn't support the Kickstarter and now I'm experiencing the complications that come with it. Was/is it planned that these books will be available in regular stores at some point? And since the campaign was so hugely successful... what happens to the money that isn't actually needed?
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I didn't support the Kickstarter and now I'm experiencing the complications that come with it. Was/is it planned that these books will be available in regular stores at some point? And since the campaign was so hugely successful... what happens to the money that isn't actually needed?
There is no ETA for when supporters will see this book so it's much too early to speculate when it will be widely available.
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And since the campaign was so hugely successful... what happens to the money that isn't actually needed?
There is no such thing as unneeded money.
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Not feeling all that great about 2025, either.
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18 days into Q4 and still no update. Yeah, we’re not getting this in 2024.
Are we ever getting this? Serious question.
Here's an uncomfortable truth:
Even Kickstarter warns backers that just because you back a project, and the project's target gets met, and your money gets taken, that's still no guarantee that the project will come to fruition. You could lose your money.
Kickstarter is like investing in a project but getting zero shares for your investment.
I still hope this will come out, but I do wonder. That's what happens in a communication void.
Cheers
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Stephen is absolutely right: Kickstarter is based on trust.
Simple concept: there are creators/producers who want to make something, but need money to do it. They tell you how much money they need, and what they intend to do, and what's in for the investors if the project goes through.
It's based on trust and it is supporting of and investing in projects that you want to be successful.
I have supported a small number of Kickstarter campaigns, and all of them went through and came out wonderful. So far that is.
This one here... well... what is going on?
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There are enough publishers that could print a book. Even if the publisher you were originally thinking of using had problems, why not find another one as soon as possible? I can understand a CD delay, as you have to get a lot of components together on a certain date. But with a book? I don't understand it at all. And why not say clearly what the problem is? The supporters of the campaign have a right to know.
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There are enough publishers that could print a book. Even if the publisher you were originally thinking of using had problems, why not find another one as soon as possible? I can understand a CD delay, as you have to get a lot of components together on a certain date. But with a book? I don't understand it at all. And why not say clearly what the problem is? The supporters of the campaign have a right to know.
Indeed, it is not clear what the hold up is supposed to be. With that much money in the pocket, you could easily get the book printed and out, to the highest standard at that (hard cover, color photos, etc), and still have plenty of cash left for your winnings (which would be perfectly fine).
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I got some quotes from book printing companies and put them in this thread (sometime in July).
You could easily fulfill the entire Kickstarter campaign with high quality color books (better than what was promised), print additional copies for the stores, keep a hefty profit for yourself, because even if you max it (hardcover color photo copies for everyone, high quality paper, binding, etc.) you'd only need a third of the money taken in at most. So you could finish this project, make everyone happy, and still have a hefty pile of cash left. Don't know why it's not done.
Mind you: I asked for what it would cost ME -- just a random dude -- to print such and such books NOW (or soon) if money were no object! I suspect somebody in the publishing industry and better connections, willing to wait and in a better position to negotiate (which I did not at all) might get petter prices.
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I am fascinated by this. Book announced in March of 2022 - much excitement ensues. Perfect. Covers, with tweaking to happen) shown in early August - much excitement ensues. At this point, there has not been anything suggesting there will be a Kickstarter campaign. Also, from the wording in the announcements, it appears that the book was already written. At this point, publisher is very communicative. Good!
People are now asking when they'll be able to preorder the book. Champing at the bit. October 1 - people are asking if there are any updates. Someone finally mentions the word Kickstarter and says to look for it - its first mention. Publisher chimes in and says correct, the Kickstarter campaign will start in November. People who were praying for it to be available by end of 2022 are disappointed but still excited. Again, publisher says that Mr. Bond has delivered the definitive coverage of Goldsmith's career and no one will be disappointed. Knowing Mr. Bond's writing and exhaustive research abilities, I have not a single doubt that that is true.
November comes and goes, as does December and January. Thread is revived in February with the question: Any update? End of February, publisher chimes in and says they're rethinking distribution and will post more information sooner than later. Much excitement ensues. May 10. Publisher posts that the Kickstarter campaign is finally on the launching pad and will be announced in a matter of days. That proves to be accurate, with launch announced for May 16. Much excitement ensues. It goes live. Kickstarter goal: $19,000. It is presumed that if that is the goal, the book can be produced for that amount. It has now been one year and two months since the book was first announced at FSM.
It meets its funding goal instantly. Stretch goal - $85,000 from the original $19,000 goal. This is going to be some book. As is his wont, Yavar Moradi is now the official cheerleader for the campaign  . Campaign goes over $100,000. People are stoked. Jeff Bond writes a heartfelt thank you note. Joe Sikoryak is now really pumping - one week left and the new stretch goal is $135,000. At that point, for the first time, I have privately asked myself a one-word question: Why? Onward we go. The most pressing question from people in this thread is - why no color when this amount of money has been raised. No answer is forthcoming until Mr. Sikoryak finally says it will STILL be cost prohibitive to do color.
On June 11, I make my first post in this thread, to wit: "Hold on there - your goal was 19K and you met it - what if that's all you'd gotten? You'd obviously have to print the book. You have now raised well over 100K - the math is not working for me and I'm sure for others. If you could print the book for 19K and you now have 100K over that I'm just trying to understand where that extra 100K is going exactly. Everyone is very excited about the book and I'm sure it will be wonderful. But something clearly isn't computing here for some folks." Mr. Sikoryak responds: "As someone who's done his share of Kickstarters, Bruce, you know that the total includes shipping, fees and lots of costs not reflected directly in the product itself. Suffice to say that we took a risk with a low bid and now we can comfortably deliver what we promised, and more." I would hope for over 100K that the book could now comfortably be delivered. All good.
A post is made days before the end of campaign, castigating all posters who mentioned color. BAD posters. June 15. Last day of the campaign. Campaign ends with over $171,000 pledged. An amazing, and to some, obscene amount of money based on the original goal. But great news - and everyone is now stoked for the delivery of the book! Publisher writes a heartfelt thanks to all involved and book is going in for final proofing. It is now June 16. July 4th, a message asking fans to submit THEIR photos, autographs, etc. Time is of the essence and they must be received by July 23.
On September 5th, someone posts: "It's September, the expected month to receive the books. Any news?" Someone else thinks they read that it's November. October 2 deadline for backers to get their names in, as they want them printed. October 9, Joe's back with another update - all additional material is in hand, new page count, but it will be months before books are in your hands. November 14, publisher says both books are in the production queue at the printer and scheduled to on the presses in early December and delivery dates will be announced then. Excitement ensues. Final update for 2023: They're embarking on the final stages of production and many thanks to all.
January 27, 2024. New update. Everyone can take a survey in mid-February and some rewards will begin to ship then. Digital copies of the book available in late February or March, with books to follow in April. As of mid-March, no reports of rewards received. March 29, book available digitally. March 30, first mention of typos and inaccuracies. Uh oh. Will be fixed before book can be greenlit for printing. Say what? Last thing we knew is that it was on the presses in December. Or, as I wrote in my second post in this thread: "Hold on there, Pochahontas. Unless I've been misreading these updates, I thought this had gone to the printers. Are you saying it hasn't when you opine, "However, some typos and inacurracies still to be fixed before any go-to-press greenlighting imho". Is that you OPINION or has the book NOT gone to press yet, which is something the contributors have a right to know."
Many people are posting errors they've found. Jeff asks for all fixes to be sent to him. Of course, it was stated long ago prior to the book being printed in December that exhaustive proofing was being done. April 15, someone asks if anyone has received their rewards. May 18 - posts on Facebook (but not here) say they're still going through rounds of corrections sent in by readers of the digital PDF. May 29th, new update - books are being readied for the printer. Publisher has moved to more affordable quarters. Many complaints about the lack of communication.
October 19 and six pages of posts later - no one knows anything - there have been no official updates in this thread since May 29. Some but not all backers have received their awards. The consensus is that books will not arrive this year. But to put all this in perspective - Tim Lucas's massive Mario Bava book took preorders for the book, received tons of money, including mine own, and suffered through, if memory serves, more than six YEARS of waiting - originally promised Christmas 2001 - delivered in 2007.
It's a wonderfully written book and I think everyone will be thrilled when they finally have it in their hands. As to when that will be? Nobody knows anything and if anyone actually knows, they ain't talkin'.
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It meets its funding goal instantly. Stretch goal - $85,000 from the original $19,000 goal. This is going to be some book. As is his wont, Yavar Moradi is now the official cheerleader for the campaign . Campaign goes over $100,000. People are stoked. Jeff Bond writes a heartfelt thank you note. Joe Sikoryak is now really pumping - one week left and the new stretch goal is $135,000. At that point, for the first time, I have privately asked myself a one-word question: Why? Onward we go. The most pressing question from people in this thread is - why no color when this amount of money has been raised. No answer is forthcoming until Mr. Sikoryak finally says it will STILL be cost prohibitive to do color.
I could help out by connecting to some book printing companies more than happy to print these volumes in large format hardcopy and color for a fraction of what the campaign took in.
And as far as the stretch goals are concerned, they were pretty much smokescreen, as none of the perks for the stretch goals actually cost more to produce. Unlike say Intrada's or Leith Steven's stretch goals, where the additional funds of the stretch goals served to produce additional content.
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