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 Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

All lifelong fans of "1776" who have never heard this before......here is something that will blow you away. Sherman Edwards original demo record of the songs in which he performs all of them. Including songs and verses that were jettisoned long before Opening Night.

What an amazing find!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   cinemel1255   (Member)

Tiny little thread you started here not so long ago [cough], eh Mel? smile

It’s the only thread I’ve ever started!

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

All lifelong fans of "1776" who have never heard this before......here is something that will blow you away. Sherman Edwards original demo record of the songs in which he performs all of them. Including songs and verses that were jettisoned long before Opening Night.

What an amazing find!


Ditto! Thanks for sharing it here!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2021 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Audio clips from a 1976 summer stock Milwaukee production. Artemus Gordon as Adams and Nicely-Nicely Johnson as Franklin!

https://soundcloud.com/daniel-pagel-163895012/piddle-twiddle-and-resolve

https://soundcloud.com/daniel-pagel-163895012/the-lees-of-old-virginia

https://soundcloud.com/daniel-pagel-163895012/he-plays-the-violin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Fans should be very happy with the 4K UHD/Blu that Sony just announced for 5/31 -- it even includes a new Blu-Ray special features disc including the laserdisc cut (plus the theatrical version for posterity), apparently with the old commentary from the Pioneer LD included as well.

Sony's been on fire including new extras on their 4K UHDs, this is no exception.

DISC DETAILS & BONUS MATERIALS

1776 4K ULTRA HD DISC

Includes both the 165-minute Director’s Cut and the 167-minute Extended Cut
Both versions presented in 4K resolution with Dolby Vision, with Dolby Atmos + 5.1 audio

1776 BLU-RAY FEATURE DISC

Includes both the 165-minute Director’s Cut and the 167-minute Extended Cut
Both versions presented in High Definition with 5.1 audio
Special Features:
Commentary with Peter H. Hunt, William Daniels & Ken Howard (Director’s Cut only)
Commentary with Peter H. Hunt and Peter Stone (Director’s Cut only)
Deleted & Alternate Scenes with Director Commentary
9 Screen Tests
Teaser & Theatrical Trailers

1776 BLU-RAY SPECIAL FEATURE DISC

1972 Theatrical Version of the Film (presented in HD with original mono audio)
1992 Laserdisc Version of the Film (presented in SD with stereo audio)
Includes optional archival commentary featuring director Peter H. Hunt

1776 4K ULTRA HD DISC SPECS
Run Time: Approx. 165 / 167 minutes
Rating: Not Rated
4K UHD Feature Picture: 2160p Ultra High Definition, 2.35:1
4K UHD Feature Audio: English Dolby Atmos (Dolby TrueHD 7.1 Compatible) | English 5.1 DTS-HD MA

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Whoa! So will this finally and definitively "close the book" on 1776? No more need to hold onto any prior editions, even the laserdisc?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

Whoa! So will this finally and definitively "close the book" on 1776? No more need to hold onto any prior editions, even the laserdisc?

Yavar


Looks like it Yavar! We'll find out if the laserdisc commentary is edited. Very interesting they included this, to be sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

I suspect Peter Hunt's passing is what opened the door to this being possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

It appears this 20-year-old thread is about to come full circle. When I think of the comprehensive debates, arguments, disappointments, laughs and praises--esp. the praises--the news of these releases is the pièce de résistance. To think I can finally discard my LD-to-VHS-transfer (where have you gone, Chris Kinsinger a/k/a Dickinson?) & sit back and drink in the whole shebang in a far, far better way tantalizes the fly on the Independence Hall wall within. cool

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

This is indeed the final solution to EVERYTHING that has gone on before and been argued endlessly about. Put all versions out there and let the viewer have the one of their choice. I understand why the LD version has to be in SD format but the value there is being able to have it present at last as a vital part of the film's history, and their inclusion of the very insightful and wonderful commentary that Joe did with Hunt is also terrific (so many great LD commentaries have been sadly lost to the ages as formats have changed and rights to films have changed).

A year ago, I was happy when "Major Dundee" got fixed on Blu-Ray by restoring the original longer cut of the film with its original Amfitheatrof score. This even tops that in terms of seeing an earlier release improved in a new issue. Thank you, Sony!

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2022 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

I'm very happy with the extended cut, with the exception of the dropping of underscore where Cesar Rodney leaves the Congress, and especially in the Adama/Abigail bell tower scene, which feels naked without the music. I was very disappointed that Mr. Hunt had those taken out. Those scenes with music can now at least be heard again on the theatrical version, but only in mono.

I also feel that the stereo sound mix for the two longer cuts still has problems that could have been easily fixed, but I doubt any further work has been done. I get the feeling Sony has now spent all the money they want to spend on this title.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2022 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yeah Mike, we got into the bell tower and other related stuff starting June, 2015. Subsequent to that is discussion of taking the best of all film media and creating a "hybrid" definitive version to match the play as best as possible--which was evidently accomplished! You could say this was done in anticipation of what is now coming out (in an authorized fashion).

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2022 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I agree that the absence of the underscore in the John/Abigail tower scene makes no sense whatsoever. It not only weakens the moment when John turns around and sees Abigail but it makes the scene cinematically inconsistent with the earlier John-Abigail scene which opens with the same underscore and the same conversation being paralleled in this scene ("Ah, there you have me....") It can still be heard on the LD version as well as the theatrical cut.

I have been fortunate to have an "unofficial" Blu-Ray that was put together back in 2015 that recreated the LD cut in HD by combining the earlier DVD edit for all scenes except those that were unique to the LD (which were upscaled) and recreated the Overture/Intermission differently so that they played over blank screens rather than title cards. I'll still be hanging onto it, because the LD presentation on the new release out of necessity has to be presented non-anamorphic and I understand that. So the "best" copy for me will still be the unofficial one, but I was never under any illusions we'd see something like that officially even in a best case scenario like this new release is. This release that makes the original LD presentation available in some kind of new format (and resurrects the Joe Caps commentary) is more than could have been expected and I salute Sony for that. The public can see four different versions of the film, and that's a win-win for everyone.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2022 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   cinemel1255   (Member)

All I can say is when I started this thread over 20 years ago, I never expected to see 1776 in a wonderful 4K UHD release. As a matter of fact, there was no such thing as a 4K disc. So here we are waiting to see it in whatever version we’d like. So when the disc comes out in a few months put the version that is your favorite in your player, sit back and enjoy!

Mel M

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2022 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

All I can say is when I started this thread over 20 years ago...

Good grief, 20 years. And 1254 of you ago, too. I remember discovering that anyone else even liked, let alone loved, 1776 as I do to be one of my biggest surprises ever on this board.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2022 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

In truth I can't recall when we talked about what and rather than sit here listening to us quote ourselves I'm gonna put an end to all this piddling and twiddling and hereby resolve to create a Directory of Independence re topics since this thread is and ought to be cool, considerate and fribble-free!

PS
nah I'm not a 1776 twit...'s more like an agitator...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2022 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   themusicman926   (Member)

This is awesome news!!! I have always been a big fan of 1776 as a film and piece of musical theater. I still pull out my Blu-ray copy every Independence Day to watch (the 167 min. extended cut has always been my go to as I tend to be a purist when it comes to film adaptations of stage musicals and I always prefer the ones that have the complete songs).

Last year, I actually purchased an LD copy on eBay and got it digitized with the intention of preserving the complete original LD cut of the film, as the complete version was nowhere to be found online (you can now find the full 180-minute LD cut on the Internet Archive thanks to me and the kind Reddit user who digitized the film for me wink ). I always imagined a "complete" edition of 1776 released for it's 50th anniversary, and I'm glad to find that this release essentially reflects what I had always wanted for this film. All 4 existing versions of the film are finally available in an accessible format. My only wonder now is what the quality of the LD cut will look like on the Blu-ray (I saw that the original theatrical cut is presented in HD with its original mono soundtrack, but the LD cut is only in SD. The LD print is not in the best quality (at least the edition I purchased) and I wonder how much clean-up work was done for this specific cut. I suppose it would have been nice if they made an HD version of the LD cut too, perhaps in addition to the standard SD one, but overall I'm very excited that we're getting this release at all).

My only wish that did not come true with this release is a "soundtrack only" option of the film. Since the film soundtrack never received an official release, apart from its original vinyl pressing, I had hoped that we might see a "soundtrack only" edition of the film included, as I do not see we will be getting a reissue of the soundtrack album (which didn't even include everything featured in the film).

Overall, despite the fact that I already own the original Blu-ray release, I will 100% be ordering this edition! Thank you Sony!

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2022 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The LD release with the Joe Caps commentary will at least allow the complete music without vocals option to be present. Of course a definitive soundtrack release should reflect the entire score and not just the original presentation with the songs back at full length that were cut in the final version in addition to presenting "Cool Considerate Men."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2022 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   themusicman926   (Member)

The LD release with the Joe Caps commentary will at least allow the complete music without vocals option to be present. Of course a definitive soundtrack release should reflect the entire score and not just the original presentation with the songs back at full length that were cut in the final version in addition to presenting "Cool Considerate Men."

Are we then assuming the LD edit of the film that will be featured on the Blu-ray is the '92 Pioneer edition? As I mentioned, I do have a LD edition of the uncut version, but it is the '95 reissue of the uncut version and does not have any special commentary included. Just out of curiosity, do we also know how the LD version will be transferred? Is it going to be a simple input rip or will they digitally restore the original tapes somehow? I'm not very familiar with LD exclusive editions to be presented on higher quality formats.

I agree with your statement on a "definitive" soundtrack. If we were to get an official release of the soundtrack, it would be wise to just release an expansive set that includes the complete score. There is of course a "fan-made" soundtrack which you can easily find on YouTube, but I'm pretty sure it's just a rip off of the Blu-Ray version of the film. I did come across another fan-made album which is of slightly more quality, as it also includes the Overture and Intermission music from the LD version. Most of the other songs are ripped from the vinyl album, and the film exclusive songs (Considerate Men) and the extended songs (Piddle Twiddle) are ripped from the LD version as well. Once this 50th anniversary release comes out, assuming the LD soundtrack will be presented as originally released in 1992, I might attempt to put together a definitive soundtrack release.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2022 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Are we then assuming the LD edit of the film that will be featured on the Blu-ray is the '92 Pioneer edition? As I mentioned, I do have a LD edition of the uncut version, but it is the '95 reissue of the uncut version and does not have any special commentary included. Just out of curiosity, do we also know how the LD version will be transferred? Is it going to be a simple input rip or will they digitally restore the original tapes somehow? I'm not very familiar with LD exclusive editions to be presented on higher quality formats.

The press release said that the LD cut "includes optional archival commentary featuring director Peter H. Hunt" which is clearly the Joe Caps one.

The fact that it's being presented in SD (meaning in effect non-anamorphic letterboxed) means we're just going to see a professional kind of transfer no different than how any of our own LD to DVD/BluRay transfers would look. And I'm sure that means seeing the extra footage in the lower quality that the LD had in contrast to the later DVD/Blu-Ray versions (which means the scene of Chase stuck in his chair and the subsequent exchange between Rodney and Dr. Hall would be in B/W). The real bonus is the fact that this is being given an official release and that the Joe Caps/Hunt commentary with its music only section for the songs is no longer lost for all time.

 
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