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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

You want me to back-scan 6200 CD booklets?


There you have it.
As good an endorsement for pdf as one could offer.
I dread to think how much ultra-cheap scratched-up, cracked and ugly plastic is housing those 6200 booklets.
If they'd been digital files in the first place, one could have stored them on one's computer, iPad or whatever, as well as simply print them if or when holding them is necessary.
And they'll always look as good as new as pdf, not faded or creased or pinched from the CD case.
PDF will also provide resolution and image size worthy of the illustrations/photos, no limitation on pages and not limited to sheet-of-toilet paper-size booklets.
Most of the junk mail I get in my mailbox is better sized, more legible and printed better than the average CD booklet.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

Thats what I do...
I like to shuffle it all when i press play... random DJ goodness

I like my clutter of CDs though, I'll miss it when they are finally retired and everything is download only.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I am also surprised that anyone would use iTunes to back up a collection. XLD is much more trustworthy and free. And if you extract using Apple Lossless, you can easily transition to WAV and mp3.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Ahem—I am not advocating that anybody STEAL MP3s, which is to say, download them illegally. If it were up to me, every film score would be available for purchase at a fair price digitally as well as on a physical CD—but the licensing difficulties are too much with the studios who have thus far held onto their digital rights in all but a few cases. I find with modern technology the choice of which titles to buy physically is as much a decorating choice as anything else—I'd be proud, for example, to display the ST:TOS box set, even if I didn't work on it! As a mechanism for enjoying the music (as well as movies now), in general, I prefer digital. Just my opinion, not trying to say it's correct for anyone else! And I got out of producing soundtracks for a bunch of reasons, a major one being that times have changed but the boutique business hasn't really—I didn't like a job that made me feel like I was cutting down the last few trees on Easter Island...


 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Lukas, I understand the desire to get your collection into a format where you can access it with alacrity.

Alas, I find it hard to believe a record producer doesn't have a full-room full-power setup for the most precious gems. I could never bear listening to KING KONG: THE DELUXE EDITION on anything less. Those low brass chords just don't make it on computer speakers.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Those low brass chords just don't make it on computer speakers.

Depends on what people mean by "computer speakers".
A high quality pair of powered studio monitors connected to the computer via a good dac, perhaps with a matching subwoofer if necessary, can sound absolutely superb.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

I digitized my collection a few years ago - fills the hard drive, then the external drive (and soon the need for a larger external drive). I don't notice the loss of info that much, and carrying my laptop form location to location is a heck of a lot easier than transferring boxes of CDs.

I still prefer having the physical disc in a box, but I do - at times (and as it's going on the Hard Drive anyway) - go for the download.

And I do appreciate the downloads that come with a pdf of the liner notes, or the labels that have these available on their web pages.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

I have certain neighborhood and domestic realities that make it impractical to blast music at high volumes. I think also, after many years of stressing out about the sound quality of our CD productions (and fortunately being able to lean on the great ears of our many engineers), it's a relief not to have to worry about how something sounds!


 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"Composers like Danny Elfman, Mychael Danna, Thomas Newman, James Horner and Patrick Doyle seemed to have scored dozens of these. These used to be called "programmers." The scores seem as interchangeable as the actors..."
Around the time of Vertical Limit, JNH wrote some of the best music of his life/career (although Vertical Limit ain't one of them!), Danny Elfman programmed some whoppers like A Simple Plan, Instinct, Sleepy Hollow and Big Fish. Some of Horner's stuff around that time would sound like the music of angels compared to the sonic wallpaper being rolled off the bog tape nowadays.
The music of some 14 years ago already sounds like a long lost age frown

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Those low brass chords just don't make it on computer speakers.

Depends on what people mean by "computer speakers".
A high quality pair of powered studio monitors connected to the computer via a good dac, perhaps with a matching subwoofer if necessary, can sound absolutely superb.

Yup, the giant speakers I bought recently (a pair of Klipsch Synergy F-20s) are a bit overkill but sound great and no amount of blasting at high volumes is required to hear all the intricate details. Once I get a larger listening space I will move these out of this tiny room and give them the proper amount of spacing in between.

My mind boggles at the number of people I know who have a good ear for music posting that they listen to music on computer speakers. If you have space limitations then listen to music on a good pair of headphones. It will sound a lot better than those speakers. You can't hear the difference between MP3 and Lossless on headphones though in my own experience. And you would have to blast it pretty loud to notice the differences on good speakers.

I should also note that with so much film music being available now on services like Spotify and Pandora conceivably someone with a huge collection wouldn't even need to digitize everything, just the stuff that isn't on there. Most of the mainstream scores from certain labels are available to listen with ads or pay $5 a month or so for premium without ads. This would be ideal for someone who is new to collecting because they don't have to buy all the stuff that they missed out on and can explore composers without spending a lot of money to figure out what they like. Of course Intrada and Kritzerland releases are rarely on these services.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I thought most people loaded their CD's into iTunes. As soon as I receive a CD I rip it (I have an old computer on its last legs that I just use for ripping into iTunes, for all the other stuff I use a laptop). For the last five years I've listened to all my music on my ipod. Does this mean Lukas will be sitting there ripping one CD after another into his computer for a week or so? I quite like Vertical Limit, it's a bit far fetched, but a lot of fun, most of my favourite 50's & 60's soundtracks are from what you would call, programmers. I don't buy many CD's these days, I wish I bought more, but I have most of what I want (& really enjoy it), I'm down to buying about four soundtracks a year, but still keep a keen eye on the boutique labels...will Kritzerland release the 3 or 4 50's Fox titles that I'd still like, will Intrada ever release Goldsmiths Flint albums, or The Great Race, or the three Rozsa Conducts Rozsa Polydore albums, ect I suppose I have about 400 CD's, most of which don't get listened to. I suppose it would break down into, 100 get listened to a lot, 200 occasionally, & 100 that I will probably never listen to again., but they're doing no harm on the shelf.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I thought most people loaded their CD's into iTunes

iTunes isnt even installed on my laptop. And I don't own an iPod. In fact I refuse to own any Apple product. I use Quicktime grudgingly.

If I want music on the go I'll transfer something to my Samsung Galaxy S4. Anything else I play the CD and enjoy the product that a friendly record label put together for me.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I refuse to own any Apple product. I use Quicktime grudgingly.

So you don't use any Apple product, except the one that you use?

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

So you don't use any Apple product, except the one that you use?

I said I don't OWN any Apple product. Quicktime is free.

 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

So you don't use any Apple product, except the one that you use?

I said I don't OWN any Apple product. Quicktime is free.

So is iTunes.

 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I'm bemused - perhaps: confused - why the issue of iTunes always results in a discussion re: mp3.

Ditto. I use iTunes for my 2500+ CD collection, and everyone is stored losslessly. No mp3, no lossy files at all.

I can load files onto my iPod classic to listen in the car or out and about. Even with lossless files I can still fit more albums than I can listen to onto it.
I also now have an Apple TV and can now stream my entire collection through my hi-fi.

Using iTunes does not mean having to resort to lossy files.

 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I'm curious to know how people access/refer to tracklists while listening to virtual music.

 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Whenever these download threads come about, I get the feeling on this board that Itunes is made out to be the enemy by people because of a lot of scores get offered for sale exclusively there (the majority of which the nagging audiophiles wouldn't touch with a ten feet pole anyway, not even mentioning quality) and people on this board use it to play 'lossy' files. How dare they! They however conveniently leave out that you can also listen to lossless files on there. There are also applications beyond Itunes, though it is the most popular. It can also be updated and improved upon.

These people are called 'laggards', they waste their time rebelling against something that is already mainstream accepted and conform to their demands (for over a decade I might add), but they still cling on to that belief that it is just 'not done'. Poor Lukas wants to rip his CDs into Itunes, he is made out to be a traitor because he prefers listening to his music on the computer. LOL.

Ripping a score into Itunes does not mean you are automatically throwing the CD in the thrash can. Using Itunes also doesn't mean the end of physical media. It is simply an application that allows you to organize and play music, make it accessible faster and so much more. The possibilities far than outweigh the 'quality' argument that only applies to their store, as the application itself lets you rip lossless...

Both can co-exist successfully if you allow it.

 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Every few years I pre-emtively striek and go threw my CD-R's and if any look like they are going bad or are bronzing, I just rip the material and make a new copy. Alternatively there'd thumb drives, but I don't know the longevity or failure rate of them, so I don't rely on them very much; there's also an issue of if the computer gets infected, the drive could as well, corrupting, losing, or even infecting the drive.

As to some of Lukas' comments about ripping them, per point:

1: I got to say: so what if we don't know what they are? I've spent time skimming threw, and watching, many a rare (and unreleased) TV movie and TV series, with occassional film, from decades passed, and have discoivered some good stuff and excellent unreleased scores.
The practice is nothing new with all these no-name films. Just look, for example at the long barrage of of over a hundred what the hell is that? titles on Victor Young's composer credits listing on IMDb.

2: Most CD's don't go bad, or at least have yet to. I'm sure if I look, there'd studies or write up about external hard drive's that don't last as long as they should or corrupt (screwing the music data files) over time. I wonder if it's not that much better...

3: I don't understand your point, as written out, Luas. I understand if you mean pointless re-issues, wherein it just contains the same material, and in short spaces of time, and escpecially if it's something not really in demand (even in the first place), but that wasn't the case with what you listed.
"Dances With Wolves" had the fist release. Then another five years later (presumably because the initial pressing sold out, or the contract was renewed or some other thing) and this time was remastered (technology improves from 1990 to 1995, you know) and added some tracks. And then the third release almost ten years later greatly expanded it (didn't the AFM rules start changing around that time?) and even added music that was missing from cues previously. These were wholy different releases, doing the best the likely could at the time, over a period of almost 15 years. Each was better than before.
I hope you're ready for that fourth one that will come out one day, the 2CD set of all the score, and alternates, and demo recording(s) which we have yet to hear (part of fil mscoring history and Barry history for that matter); that is surely not a pointless re-issue.
It's one of the greatest fil mscores ever written and some great new cues were on the last edition.

"A Walk in the Clouds" had the first release in 1995. Then ten years later, recieved a digitally remastered edition. And about seven years later LLLR's gave it the best mastering job it'll ever get, with alternates and source cues. None of these appear to be a wasted and needless re-issue.

"Krull" had the 1987 very short Southern Cross release. Then in 1990 SCSE greatly expanded the score, adding over 30 more minutes; evidently they underestimated the initial pressing or 750 copies, or that was just the initial run with an option to press more if need be, and another 2,000 copies were made (can we fault them for making more when it was elling well? Lest we forget your confession a few years ago). Then twenty years later LLLR's did a 2CD set of the what, I assume, is the complete score. Nothing needless re-issued here. And the LLLR's edition SOLD OUT (so people were clamoring for a re-issue), so in another five or ten years undoubtedly another label will re-issue it yet again, and I bet it sells out again.
And, quite frankly, we gain new score fans each year and have people that missed the initial releases. There's always a market, if a label feels they can profit, to do something about. There are some great scores out there that should and need to be re-issued, and I don't care if they each get re-issued ten times and duplicate the material each go around; it's all about the love and passion we share.

4: I predict, one day in an indeterminate time frame, iTunes dies a death more painful than that of CD's. Only unlike LP's, it DOESN'T come back.

 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Although I'm a committed "CD first, download second" man, the emergence of digital libraries and digital library managers like iTunes has been a major leap forward for those who amass personal collections of music.


(Shame then, that Apple seems determined to eventually drop support for personal libraries and make everyone consume music through 'The Cloud'. Their cloud.)

I love the ability to take twofer CDs like PETULIA and ALICE'S ADVENTURES IN WONDERLAND and split them into their two original albums in iTunes. I love the ability to customize the artwork in iTunes.

I love the ability to change the play order so my iTunes version of DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER is film order, not CD order.

I love how I can create a BODY HEAT score album; a BODY HEAT 'album' album; and separate off the less-listened-to BODY HEAT demos.

I love how I can recreate original classic LP programs like READY WHEN YOU ARE, JB and PLAY IT AGAIN.

Etc, etc.

What I don't do is rip THE BLUE MAX (Varese version), THE BLUE MAX (Sony version), THE BLUE MAX (Intrada version) and THE BLUE MAX (La-La version). I go for the most definitive, though I sometimes store both full OST and original album program. (I'm nostalgic for the old LP programs sometimes.)

But this all does require 'gardening' on your library. It's not just a case of 'chuck it in and rip it'.

Anyway Lukas, are you basically saying: "I haven't house-kept my collection all these years and now I'm seeing how untidy it is?"

Sounds like a CD garage sale is coming on!


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