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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Any time

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)



Am I the only one who thinks that there are not enough teeth in the shark's mouth on the cover? I swear when I saw the movie back in 1975 that there were 24 teeth in it's mouth. Not a complaint, just an observation.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

So I guess this will be a MAF? That means order Jaws 2 first then order this one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

So I guess this will be a MAF? That means order Jaws 2 first then order this one.

Yes, but MAF is now called INT.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   RR   (Member)

I'm on board!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)


What was the harmonica/guitar campfire music at the very beginning of the movie? Were they just riffing in that scene?

Oh, and needless to say: ordered.

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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Am I the only one who thinks that there are not enough teeth in the shark's mouth on the cover? I swear when I saw the movie back in 1975 that there were 24 teeth in it's mouth. Not a complaint, just an observation.

your right! They also omitted his tongue!



Glad someone got me smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

What was the harmonica/guitar campfire music at the very beginning of the movie? Were they just riffing in that scene?

Yes, that was an improv by the bonfire guitarist, a local actor, Mike Haydn, who still lives and plays in Martha's Vineyard. I met Mike at Jawsfest '05, nice fellow, and he told me Spielberg asked him to improvise on the day. He later worked his tune into a song, which he played around a beach bonfire prior to a nighttime screening of "Jaws" on the beach in 2005. He has music samples on his website:

http://www.michaelhaydnmv.com

Edit: small pic of me with Mr. Haydn and 'Chrissie Watkins' (actress Susan Blacklinie) here: http://bit.ly/AoB1K

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Jim Bailey   (Member)

So I guess this will be a MAF? That means order Jaws 2 first then order this one.

Yes, but MAF is now called INT.


Doug posted the following on the Intrada message board:

Just a premature heads up - no alarm intended - but based on the activity with Back To The Future Part II and Jaws 2 (and from our earlier experience with Back To The Future Part I, I hope people can prioritize their purchasing so as to include this incredible set without too much delay. Quite honestly, I anticipate we'll sell the absolute maximum number of units allowable per the current AFM agreements, in pretty rapid manner.

I always thought MAF or INT (or whatever it's referred to now) meant it was unlimited? If not what is the maximum number of units allowed?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2015 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

So I guess this will be a MAF? That means order Jaws 2 first then order this one.

Yes, but MAF is now called INT.


Doug posted the following on the Intrada message board:

Just a premature heads up - no alarm intended - but based on the activity with Back To The Future Part II and Jaws 2 (and from our earlier experience with Back To The Future Part I, I hope people can prioritize their purchasing so as to include this incredible set without too much delay. Quite honestly, I anticipate we'll sell the absolute maximum number of units allowable per the current AFM agreements, in pretty rapid manner.

I always thought MAF or INT (or whatever it's referred to now) meant it was unlimited? If not what is the maximum number of units allowed?


I believe the maximum is 10,000 units under AFM's "archival" rate for re-use fees, regardless of which of their product lines Intrada places it in. (Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

^ That sounds about right.

Hopefully there will still be some available on Thursday or Friday (whichever day my paycheck decides to post) when I can buy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

^ That sounds about right.

Hopefully there will still be some available on Thursday or Friday (whichever day my paycheck decides to post) when I can buy.


I have to wait until January. Really hoping there'll still be some left by then.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I think it's actually 9,999* (I seem to recall reading that here some time back).

MAF releases were supposed to be "unlimited", but that's ended and MAF titles have gone out of print as of late (I don't know the exact number). Suffice to say, if anybody has been putting off a title under the defunct MAF line because they thought it would be around a good long while, perhaps its best to treat it as if it were going to go bye-bye any month now (just to be sure).



* = What I don't know, regardless if it's 9,999 or 10,000, is if that's per label release or just for a title; say a label released "Jaws 19" and sold 10,000 copies, could then another label re-issue that same title and sell another 10,000?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)


This is purely administrative. The tracks you listed already exist in the UME database as "song titles" for an album called Jaws. Therefore the exact titles can't be used again unless the content is exactly the same.* So rather than invent new titles, we apply parentheticals such as "Film Version" and "Extended Version" or "Alternate," whichever is the most appropriate. On the Decca release, "The Empty Raft" didn't have the ending phrase, while both "Father And Son" and "Out To Sea" segued into other cues. We've employed this methodology on Empire of the Sun and A.I. and are continuing with it going forward even though things have been done differently (and sometimes haphazardly) in the past.

(* If a track is just remastered but the content is the same, then the same title can be retained.)

And there are occasional exceptions, of course. We could have retained the title "Shark Attack" for "Quint Meets His End" but reverted to the original cue title because the score is now in film order and because we had an alternate. Plus the cue title was also used on the Varese rerecording.

Mike M.


Any particular reason you didn't use the original cue title "Work Montage" for "The Shark Cage Fugue"?
I was just wondering because ALL the other tracks retain the original cue title (apart from "Father and Son" which is 4M1R Alternate version - I'm not sure how the original was named - so of course it wouldn't sound good to name it that way)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)


This is purely administrative. The tracks you listed already exist in the UME database as "song titles" for an album called Jaws. Therefore the exact titles can't be used again unless the content is exactly the same.* So rather than invent new titles, we apply parentheticals such as "Film Version" and "Extended Version" or "Alternate," whichever is the most appropriate. On the Decca release, "The Empty Raft" didn't have the ending phrase, while both "Father And Son" and "Out To Sea" segued into other cues. We've employed this methodology on Empire of the Sun and A.I. and are continuing with it going forward even though things have been done differently (and sometimes haphazardly) in the past.

(* If a track is just remastered but the content is the same, then the same title can be retained.)

And there are occasional exceptions, of course. We could have retained the title "Shark Attack" for "Quint Meets His End" but reverted to the original cue title because the score is now in film order and because we had an alternate. Plus the cue title was also used on the Varese rerecording.

Mike M.


Thanks a lot for the insights Mike! Very interesting to know :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I'm glad Intrada addresses the added reverb problem in the last release.
that was one of my big problems with the cd AND the subsequent dvd and Blu Ray.
When ever I play those vids, one only has to toggle between the mono and the stereo, just to hear how much b etter the mono sounds.

Too bad they won't remaster the vids without the reverb.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)


* = What I don't know, regardless if it's 9,999 or 10,000, is if that's per label release or just for a title; say a label released "Jaws 19" and sold 10,000 copies, could then another label re-issue that same title and sell another 10,000?


I think the 10,000 limit is per license. Isn't that what happened with Back to the Future's original 2-CD release? I'm pretty sure Roger or Doug said they sold the full 10,000, so they must have purchased a new license for their new single CD version.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

The reverb was part of the process of making a 5.1 mix out of an odd and unbalanced element that has a huge amount of tape hiss. It did not do the music or the movie a service, in my opinion.

Re: "The Shark Cage Fugue" -- there's another case where a decision had to be made about a track title. We could have used "Work Montage," but John Williams asked to keep the previously published title because it tells you that this is a cue on which his concert suite was based. It was also because we already have a track called "Montage" and because, unlike the generic "Shark Attack," it's clear what scene it goes with.

Correct on the 10,000 issue as well. If Intrada reissued the 2-CD Back to the Future then they'd have to retroactively pay a different tier of reuse for the FIRST 10,000 that they already sold.

Mike M.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

The reverb was part of the process of making a 5.1 mix out of an odd and unbalanced element that has a huge amount of tape hiss. It did not do the music or the movie a service, in my opinion.


Mike, from the samples it is clear you did your magic to eliminate the hiss existing in the source tapes, as you've done before with FSM's Poltergeist.

As Doug has frequently mentioned how he is not in favour of noise reduction because he considers it damages the music (including with respect to Jaws the Revenge) and this particular project seems to be very special to him, I'm curious about how you approached this subject. Did Doug just gave you total freedom to do what you considered best or did you had some hard work to convince him to allow you to clean the hiss, such as preparing different mix samples for him to compare and approve?

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

It was all about John Williams approving it, so I carefully finessed it and tried to find the best compromise for everyone and it took a lot of work and several passes to get there. Doug was very happy with the result and doesn't feel I got rid of any hiss more than was necessary. In my tech notes for the release I describe dealing with hiss as a tightrope walk, with distraction on one side and destruction on the other.

Mike M.

 
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