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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

"James Horner pointed out in a interview that he delivered a near 100 minute score to the film that was constantly being edited and changed. "


Did Horner say that he RECORDED 100 minutes or that he WROTE 100 minutes?


Whatever he may have said, it appears he was guilty of either hyperbole or faulty memory when he said it. Not uncommon under any circumstance. I think we sometimes take these casual remarks as gospel when we shouldn't.


To be fair, those who actually watched the video interview being referenced would recall what Horner said, which was NOT that he "wrote 100 minutes of music", but that there was around 100 minutes of music in the film, because it's just the kind of film it is. That easily could mean all music, score and songs combined. The total of what the film required not just of his own score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   CCOJOE   (Member)

So ordered. One of my favorite Horner scores. Excited beyond measure. Now if we can just get his recent documentary scores and both his Young Guns and Romeo and Juliet scores released, I'll be a complete heaven. Until then, I have my little pieces of it to enjoy! Thanks, Intrada!!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)


Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but this is honestly one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen a specialty label make.


Jason, it could also mean that the entire film score including the songs in its chronological order is an entirely different mix exclusive to the film itself. Whereas the album was a reworked commercial album. Either ways, Im slightly disappointed that no other alternates or first takes were not included. Either that they had only access to these materials or that they were certain time constraints in completing this project. Perhaps its best to await the cd set itself.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"James Horner pointed out in a interview that he delivered a near 100 minute score to the film that was constantly being edited and changed. "


Did Horner say that he RECORDED 100 minutes or that he WROTE 100 minutes?


I already posted this in another thread...

James Horner- "There was almost ninety, (pause) hundred minutes of music in that film"



Probably just misremembered.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Here is the first exclusive review :

http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/exclusive-preview-intradas-expanded-edition-rocketeer/

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Just FYI, pulled from the Intrada thread, here's what Roger Fiegelson says:

".... Keep in mind we had the complete recording sessions, so you got everything."

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7129&sid=f4ed12806c9e97fbc6f42583e35185c8

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Should note not only did we lose James Horner, but we also lost the creator/illustrator Dave Stevens at age 53 way back in 2008. frown

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

To be fair, those who actually watched the video interview being referenced would recall what Horner said, which was NOT that he "wrote 100 minutes of music", but that there was around 100 minutes of music in the film, because it's just the kind of film it is. That easily could mean all music, score and songs combined. The total of what the film required not just of his own score.

To be fairer, this was a promotional interview, not a deposition. He was telling a story and trying to make it interesting.

I've watched DVD interviews/commentaries about television shows I wrote and produced where the stories being told are near-complete fictions. It's not always that the person interviewed is lying for his own aggrandizement – it's that they're trying to make their mundane day-to-day jobs seem dramatic or funny or more interesting than they actually are. Also, they often don't remember that well.

(When I've done these interviews/commentaries myself, they've all been accurate, I swear!)

An actor I once worked with did a one-man off-Broadway show where he devoted twenty minutes to a story about a project I did with him. The story was completely invented, and was mostly about a person who never existed! Why? Because the real story was about me at a keyboard, and who in the world would care about that?

My point is, Horner could say whatever felt interesting at that moment. Clearly, he wasn't speaking 100% accurately, either purposely or by simple misremembering. The premise was "I wrote a lot of music!" 100 minutes just sounds more interesting than "nearly eighty"!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

The original soundtrack release of this great score is just fine.Not worth 30 bucks for another twenty minutes and a copy of the original album on disc 2 which i already own.

Pass.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The original soundtrack release of this great score is just fine.Not worth 30 bucks for another twenty minutes and a copy of the original album on disc 2 which i already own.

Pass.


Actually I feel the same way, my Hollywood Records release is quite good, and despite the years back, the sound quality is superb. I will not double dip.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Fast as a rocket in my shopping cart

I'd buy any minute of unreleased Horner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I confess that I've never seen the film nor heard the score, but the samples sound great.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

I've been waiting for an expanded release for this score for a long time. Very happy to see it's happening, and SO ordered it!

While I can appreciate the frustration some have with the sequencing, given Intrada's superb track record, I suspect there's a legitimate reason for this.

In any case, it's easy enough to create one's on track list and/or burn a CD-R with the preferred track sequence.

Bravo!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Sure I agree it is a silly way of presenting things, so I can't just toss disc 2 at a later point like I have done with some releases that had just album and bonus tracks on disc 2. But maybe that's why they do it this way so no collector can just ditch the album.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I'm so upset by the presentation of this two CD set that I'm now in my car from Los Angeles and I'm driving up to Intrada's office with pitch forks and bags of poopoo and toilet paper. I shall find Doug and Rogers home and let me just tell you, they are going to get a great big surprise for their inferior presentation of THE ROCKETEER. I'm so upset I may actually not even sleep tonight because of how angry I am. How DARE they give us everything we want and put it in a way that they feel is the best listening way or the way they were told to present the score with by Disney or Horner or his estate. HOW DARE THEY not ask us so we can all agree in unison how the soundtrack should be presented as we would have all agreed on one way, correct. Because we all agree in unison on most things. If tar and feathering was still allowed, you can bet I'd be getting the hot tar ready and plucking as many of those chickens as I can for feathers.

I may have to just stop buying their products and even if they release THE HEARSE or BABY BOOM, I may still have to say no no no.

HOW DARE THEY release this score this way, don't they know we all know better, then them some little label that's only been around for 31 years?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

To be fairer, this was a promotional interview, not a deposition. He was telling a story and trying to make it interesting.

Schiff, I've said it once and I'll say it again, you have an uncanny ability to cut through the BS. Let me guess, former editor (print or film) or prosecutor? Either way, you've got it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

HOW DARE THEY release this score this way, don't they know we all know better, then them some little label that's only been around for 31 years?

Heh. Have I seen you be sarcastic before?

This is the first physical CD I've bought since Star Trek. So I'm super excited. The presentation looks FINE.

BTW, is the alternate cover Dave Stevens?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I love this presentation.

Don´t let the haters spoil the fun here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Sure I agree it is a silly way of presenting things, so I can't just toss disc 2 at a later point like I have done with some releases that had just album and bonus tracks on disc 2. But maybe that's why they do it this way so no collector can just ditch the album.

I've never understood why anyone would toss a CD out of a set. It makes literally no sense.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

I've never understood why anyone would toss a CD out of a set. It makes literally no sense.


I've done this with maybe just a handful of releases, such as the 3-CD sets of "Wyatt Earp" and Elfman's "Planet Of The Apes", but only because the full score was on two discs, and I could condense them into a 2-CD case which takes up half the space on the shelf. The spares just get archived away in a box.


Anyway, I don't think I mind the way this "Rocketeer" release has been presented. I'd just play both discs together, which means hearing it all twice, but nothing wrong with that if it's worth listening to. At least it doesn't have "out-of-place" source cues in between both versions, which is the sort of thing that does spoil my listening experience.

 
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