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 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

What an extremely odd development. Isn't John Powell capable of writing his own theme? I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

Not that I'm disappointed about this news. In fact, what would really be neat is if Lucasfilm could hire Williams to write about 25 new Star Wars themes that could then be applied to all of the next dozen or so Star Wars features even if/when Williams is not around.



Since Opie Cunningham and Kathy Kennedy has had some dealings with Mr. Williams...Mr. Williams said he would write theme and suggested John Powell do the duties of composing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I thought JW had already written a theme for Han Solo in TESB.

Han Solo and the Princess, but that was a love theme for the relationship between Han and Leia. Until now, Han hasn't had his own theme.


True. Though for the Hoth sequences that theme kind of comes off as not just a motif for Han, but quite possibly a motif for the relationship between Han and Luke also.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to how much Williams will be paid for writing ONE THEME? I think that would be very interesting to know!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

"So, basically what's going to happen is, I'm going to paint Mona Lisa's smile, and then if everybody's happy, Giovanni here will fill in the rest, and I know it'll be brilliant."
---Leonardo da Vinci

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 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to how much Williams will be paid for writing ONE THEME? I think that would be very interesting to know!

An appropriately super high amount?

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Awesome. I really dig Powell. This should be a neat pairing.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to how much Williams will be paid for writing ONE THEME? I think that would be very interesting to know!

Please, Baby Jesus, let it be a coupon redeemable for immortality.

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 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to how much Williams will be paid for writing ONE THEME? I think that would be very interesting to know!

Please, Baby Jesus, let it be a coupon redeemable for immortality.

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Lol. Kirk Douglas already used it up.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

What an extremely odd development. Isn't John Powell capable of writing his own theme? I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

Not that I'm disappointed about this news. In fact, what would really be neat is if Lucasfilm could hire Williams to write about 25 new Star Wars themes that could then be applied to all of the next dozen or so Star Wars features even if/when Williams is not around.


This would be awesome. I support this idea.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Whatever they pay Williams, it probably isn't enough just in terms of "street cred" he has with the franchise even aside from the boost it can give when heard in the film. I've always felt like Williams is one of the few people whose reputation survived the prequels. George Lucas going down was a particularly cruel and ironic casualty given his role in creating the whole phenomenon in the first place. One gets the sense the Disney machine will eventually burn the franchise to the ground and Williams will be the last person still standing.

Hopefully they give Williams an entire main title sequence to score before it goes into the adaptation with Powell. That would be the ideal. Let the hype begin anew.... Just when I thought I was going to have a reprieve until episode 9.

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

I've heard from multiple people in the know that indeed Williams didn't like the ROGUE ONE score very much at all. Williams seems very protective of Star Wars in particular (he reportedly didn't like Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE much either back at the time), and it's probably a good thing to try to get his blessing when they pick a new composer. I heard that when Kathleen Kennedy asked him who was out there that he liked, he heartily spoke up for Powell.

Having Williams contribute at least one new theme seems like a great idea. He's probably got more creative latitude to come up with something that fits the picture whereas anyone else would likely feel pressure and/or an obligation to pay heavy homage to the original score. My big problem with ROGUE ONE is that many, if not all, of the major themes seemed to point back to earlier themes that Williams had written, but it didn't always make sense for the score to be doing that.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2017 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

To me john Powell is a good choice, but why not James Hennigan, or Julian Nott ?

The former isn't pals with anyone big, possibly - as for the latter, here's why:



And not every composer actually wants to do this kind of thing, as hard as it might seem to believe.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

I've heard from multiple people in the know that indeed Williams didn't like the ROGUE ONE score very much at all. Williams seems very protective of Star Wars in particular (he reportedly didn't like Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE much either back at the time), and it's probably a good thing to try to get his blessing when they pick a new composer. I heard that when Kathleen Kennedy asked him who was out there that he liked, he heartily spoke up for Powell.

Having Williams contribute at least one new theme seems like a great idea. He's probably got more creative latitude to come up with something that fits the picture whereas anyone else would likely feel pressure and/or an obligation to pay heavy homage to the original score. My big problem with ROGUE ONE is that many, if not all, of the major themes seemed to point back to earlier themes that Williams had written, but it didn't always make sense for the score to be doing that.


I'm surprised that a gentleman like John Williams would badmouth anything, especially not a score that was created in the tiniest amount of time under the biggest pressure. Also, a score featuring many of his own themes.

I would imagine that the troubled production of SOLO led to Kennedy asking Williams to lend one original theme to the film, in order to get more goodwill.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   agentMaestraX   (Member)

An interesting combination J Williams/J Powell associated with Han Solo movie.
A Star Wars cannon to introduce this scoundrel hero makes perfect sense.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

I've heard from multiple people in the know that indeed Williams didn't like the ROGUE ONE score very much at all. Williams seems very protective of Star Wars in particular (he reportedly didn't like Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE much either back at the time), and it's probably a good thing to try to get his blessing when they pick a new composer. I heard that when Kathleen Kennedy asked him who was out there that he liked, he heartily spoke up for Powell.


I too have never heard of Williams bad mouthing anyone but then again I’m not in LA and don’t run in those circles so it’s hard to know. I wouldn’t be surprised however if Williams did not care for Rogue One since I found its reharmonization of key themes clunky (my opinion).

I’m elated that Powell is on this project and if this story about Williams picking Powell is accurate that’s even cooler. I wonder if Powell will bring some of his concert sensibilities to this as I found his work in that area stellar.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I wonder if Williams and company was disappointed in Giacchino's efforts for Rogue One.

I've heard from multiple people in the know that indeed Williams didn't like the ROGUE ONE score very much at all. Williams seems very protective of Star Wars in particular (he reportedly didn't like Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE much either back at the time), and it's probably a good thing to try to get his blessing when they pick a new composer. I heard that when Kathleen Kennedy asked him who was out there that he liked, he heartily spoke up for Powell.

Having Williams contribute at least one new theme seems like a great idea. He's probably got more creative latitude to come up with something that fits the picture whereas anyone else would likely feel pressure and/or an obligation to pay heavy homage to the original score. My big problem with ROGUE ONE is that many, if not all, of the major themes seemed to point back to earlier themes that Williams had written, but it didn't always make sense for the score to be doing that.


Were your sources clear that he was talking about the MG score and not the Desplat one? Also, I find that gossip tends to become exaggerated down there, are we talking primary sources, secondary, what? Just curious! =)

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Interesting development! I had been told a few months ago that Williams had suggested Powell to Kathleen Kennedy for this film. I guess this is the logical extension of that conversation!

John Williams writes a theme for the Han Solo film? It's just another PR gimmick!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   GustavoJoseph   (Member)

Surprising and great news!
In the 90s there was a small tendency common to have composers such JNH (Dante's peak, Liar, Liar) or Thomas Newman (Corina, Corina) making themes and letting other composers do the score. Can't imagine how many times a composer as big as Williams must have received offers to do that, and he only did it for Superman IV (1987), right? And he can do that in his sleep.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Surprising and great news!
In the 90s there was a small tendency common to have composers such JNH (Dante's peak, Liar, Liar) or Thomas Newman (Corina, Corina) making themes and letting other composers do the score. Can't imagine how many times a composer as big as Williams must have received offers to do that, and he only did it for Superman IV (1987), right? And he can do that in his sleep.



Didn’t he do it also for the Harry Potter films?

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2017 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   EvilDead   (Member)

Were your sources clear that he was talking about the MG score and not the Desplat one? Also, I find that gossip tends to become exaggerated down there, are we talking primary sources, secondary, what? Just curious! =)

Good point.

 
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