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 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I hope the film does not end with the force theme before the end credits.


the last three movies has ended this way - so it's getting a little too much


Totally agree. The last one ended with two Force themes in a row before the credits.


Jeez. That shows how little I care about the new movies....I hadn't noticed that until it was mentioned here.

I think I've only seen the new movies once.....and barely listened to the soundtracks.

I used to love Star Wars.....well...at least the original trilogy. Then I realised ROTJ was pretty forgettable. But i was a kid back then. Now I'm a virgin adult living in my parent's basement......


Hey man, don't beat yourself up about it.


Which part? Not noticing the music or living in my parent's basement?

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Scott is right about this. Star Trek was at it's best when Roddenberry was stripped out of it in 1982 onward in the movies, and when he was stripped out of the TV productions mid run TNG Star Trek excelled. Lucas likewise, his high points on his Star Wars property were 1977 -1980 with the first two, then a really long span of years to the next good one, Revenge of the Sith in 2005. The Disney Star Wars are not for everyone, Solo plainly stinks, but I would say JJ served them well, with new fangle wrapped nostalgia, and this new one will be solid, if not inventive. And arguably Mission Impossible became more successful than ever in the new movie incarnations.


Lucas’s was best when he relied on Others...John Williams, And Editors, And Writers, And Irving Kushner.

Lucas was bad, when he thought he could do it all by himself, Directing, Writing, And Producing...and went back to Destroy Star Wars, by filling in creatures and BS that was 100% not needed or wanted.

What Lucas needed for the Pre Mess was a Strong Producer to sayto Lucas...No! Do not Write your own story and screenplay! No..Lucas..Do not Direct.


Yes, agree with that, Lucas is a talented guy for sure. But somewhere around Return of the Jedi is started tipping down, and by the time of the prequels it turned into something more akin to digital art experiments, even the actors expressed that behind the scenes they felt detached from all the other actors, and did not really understand what was going on. The lines were incredibly bad in most of Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, and while some frames were impressive visual effects snapshots the film itself fell by the wayside. He needed a hard nose producer to keep him back inside the curbs of story and character. He did finally gather some focus for the last picture, I guess because he was forced to conclude it.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

So... Fan service makes any movie fan fiction? That's a new one. I thought it was indicative of the current unfortunate trend of sequels having "nods" to previous entries, but that apparently makes it fan fiction... Stop the presses.

When they do that many call backs? Yes.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I love that people get so bent out of shape over this. Like what you like. If it's "true" Star Wars but shit vs "fake" Star Wars but entertaining I know where I'll go. And, shit, George Lucas wasn't the same dude in the 90s that he was in the 70s -- are the SEs just him fanficcing his own work?

And why is fan fiction seen as a pejorative? Do people think less of John Gardner's Grendel because it's just Beowulf fanfic? Was Virgil just writing Homer fanfic?

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I love that people get so bent out of shape over this. Like what you like. If it's "true" Star Wars but shit vs "fake" Star Wars but entertaining I know where I'll go. And, shit, George Lucas wasn't the same dude in the 90s that he was in the 70s -- are the SEs just him fanficcing his own work?

And why is fan fiction seen as a pejorative? Do people think less of John Gardner's Grendel because it's just Beowulf fanfic? Was Virgil just writing Homer fanfic?


Bent out of shape? Fans are consumers, they put time and money into the things they love, they have a right to have some expectations. If you buy a car and it's a lemon you let them know right? You tell them to make it better.

For all of Lucas's faults he at least listened to all the negative fan reaction regarding JarJar and limited his screen time in the prequels. Today's producers just give fans the middle finger, continue to produce garbage and call you names.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Bent out of shape? Fans are consumers, they put time and money into the things they love, they have a right to have some expectations. If you buy a car and it's a lemon you let them know right? You tell them to make it better.

I don't mean the response to the movie. I mean these fights about what "counts" as a legitimate part of a series or a legitimate way of enjoying entertainment. Fans create a headcanon of their preferences and then get bent out of shape if other fans enjoy those entertainments in different ways, or dare to enjoy the installments that are considered lesser.

For all of Lucas's faults he at least listened to all the negative fan reaction regarding JarJar and limited his screen time in the prequels. Today's producers just give fans the middle finger, continue to produce garbage and call you names.

Like how the new Sonic movie immediately responded to fan reactions and redesigned the main character of the movie?

And, jeez, fandom is obnoxious. The hundreds of thousands of people demanding that HBO remake, like, the most expensive series of television ever. All the neckbeards demanding that Lucasfilm remake a Star Wars movie more to their liking. The people who profess to love GRRM's work and then curse the crap out of him for not rushing it.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

When The Force Awakens came out, I was pretty disappointed that Abrams just kinda remade the 1977 movie. It was fun and nostalgic, but creatively empty. A lot of fans said the same thing, and I hoped The Last Jedi went in another direction.

It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.

Fans hated it.

So really, why should filmmakers take chances? Abrams is gonna fan-fiction all over the place because of all the bitching about TLJ. It'll be the film fans deserve. Hope y'all like it, but you really won't. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   tranders65   (Member)

When The Force Awakens came out, I was pretty disappointed that Abrams just kinda remade the 1977 movie. It was fun and nostalgic, but creatively empty. A lot of fans said the same thing, and I hoped The Last Jedi went in another direction.

It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.

Fans hated it.

So really, why should filmmakers take chances? Abrams is gonna fan-fiction all over the place because of all the bitching about TLJ. It'll be the film fans deserve. Hope y'all like it, but you really won't. big grin


What about those of us who liked The Force Awakens AND The Last Jedi? Now I don't know which way to feel!! smile

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.

Agreed. I liked TFA but mostly for the characters; the plot was a little too close to the first one. TLJ wasn’t perfect but it was the first Star Wars film since Empire that genuinely surprised me. My biggest gripe is we didn’t get any farther/deeper into Finn’s story. Still a good movie. I suspect that since we seem to be headed back to Endor we could be getting more Ewoks. I don’t know what the more intense SW fans are going to make of that.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



What about those of us who liked The Force Awakens AND The Last Jedi? Now I don't know which way to feel!! smile


What are you even doing here? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   tranders65   (Member)



What about those of us who liked The Force Awakens AND The Last Jedi? Now I don't know which way to feel!! smile


What are you even doing here? big grin


I am a misfit among misfits.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)


It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.


Unfortunately, it subverted what little characterization TFA had by making most of the character's choices, and indeed actual in-universe logic itself, serve to merely set up plot twists and jokes. Characters acting OUT of character for either of these reasons is far worse that just cardboard characters to begin with. They were trying for Firefly by way of Shane Black, but what turns snappy dialog into SMART dialog is when the characters are so CONSISTENT that the gags grow out of this. The best gags ARE characterization. Show Poe's maverick nature WORKING before trying to use it as his downfall, give him a Han moment instead of your mama jokes. Don't try to combine Luke with Yoda with Ben Kenobi and then try for Yoda moments when Real Yoda has the best Yoda moment in the movie. Everything was rushed and based on trying to subvert characters that HADN'T actually been established yet.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I have no problem with taking chances with storylines and characters...

...just don't completely crap all over the older ones (Luke, Leia, Han, the ending of the classic trilogy, etc.).

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Subverting expectations is today's buzz word for lazy creators who think they're clever.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2019 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Bent out of shape? Fans are consumers, they put time and money into the things they love, they have a right to have some expectations. If you buy a car and it's a lemon you let them know right? You tell them to make it better.

I don't mean the response to the movie. I mean these fights about what "counts" as a legitimate part of a series or a legitimate way of enjoying entertainment. Fans create a headcanon of their preferences and then get bent out of shape if other fans enjoy those entertainments in different ways, or dare to enjoy the installments that are considered lesser.

For all of Lucas's faults he at least listened to all the negative fan reaction regarding JarJar and limited his screen time in the prequels. Today's producers just give fans the middle finger, continue to produce garbage and call you names.

Like how the new Sonic movie immediately responded to fan reactions and redesigned the main character of the movie?

And, jeez, fandom is obnoxious. The hundreds of thousands of people demanding that HBO remake, like, the most expensive series of television ever. All the neckbeards demanding that Lucasfilm remake a Star Wars movie more to their liking. The people who profess to love GRRM's work and then curse the crap out of him for not rushing it.


I find your lack of faith in fandom disturbing.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2019 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

This new interview with Sandy Decrescent is full of interesting stuff, but relevant to this thread is that The Rise of Skywalker's score begins recording in June.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sandy-decrescents-impact-motion-pictures-industry-paksy-plackis-cheng

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2019 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yes, please let us circle back to the film music discussion and not any of this bullshit (can take it to the other side of the board). Thanks.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2019 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I'm excited to hear this new score and any new thematic material that comes out of it. Trying to argue over opinions about whether a movie is good or not is as pointless as arguing with people over a new Game of Thrones episode. Enjoy what you enjoy and let others have their criticisms.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2019 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

I'm excited to hear this new score and any new thematic material that comes out of it. Trying to argue over opinions about whether a movie is good or not is as pointless as arguing with people over a new Game of Thrones episode. Enjoy what you enjoy and let others have their criticisms.

What he said.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

When The Force Awakens came out, I was pretty disappointed that Abrams just kinda remade the 1977 movie. It was fun and nostalgic, but creatively empty. A lot of fans said the same thing, and I hoped The Last Jedi went in another direction.

It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.

Fans hated it.

So really, why should filmmakers take chances? Abrams is gonna fan-fiction all over the place because of all the bitching about TLJ. It'll be the film fans deserve. Hope y'all like it, but you really won't. big grin


Fans didnt hate The Last Jedi because it subverted expectations.They hated it because of terrible storytelling,the character assassination of Luke Skywalker,the arrival of the most annoying and idiotic character in Rose Tico,the forced diversity,and the complete waste of time that was Canto Bight.

Oh and it ripped off the throne room scene from ROTJ ( Even using the Emperors theme for Snoke! ).

 
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