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May 16, 2019 - 7:29 AM
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Ado
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Scott is right about this. Star Trek was at it's best when Roddenberry was stripped out of it in 1982 onward in the movies, and when he was stripped out of the TV productions mid run TNG Star Trek excelled. Lucas likewise, his high points on his Star Wars property were 1977 -1980 with the first two, then a really long span of years to the next good one, Revenge of the Sith in 2005. The Disney Star Wars are not for everyone, Solo plainly stinks, but I would say JJ served them well, with new fangle wrapped nostalgia, and this new one will be solid, if not inventive. And arguably Mission Impossible became more successful than ever in the new movie incarnations.
Lucas’s was best when he relied on Others...John Williams, And Editors, And Writers, And Irving Kushner.
Lucas was bad, when he thought he could do it all by himself, Directing, Writing, And Producing...and went back to Destroy Star Wars, by filling in creatures and BS that was 100% not needed or wanted.
What Lucas needed for the Pre Mess was a Strong Producer to sayto Lucas...No! Do not Write your own story and screenplay! No..Lucas..Do not Direct.
Yes, agree with that, Lucas is a talented guy for sure. But somewhere around Return of the Jedi is started tipping down, and by the time of the prequels it turned into something more akin to digital art experiments, even the actors expressed that behind the scenes they felt detached from all the other actors, and did not really understand what was going on. The lines were incredibly bad in most of Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, and while some frames were impressive visual effects snapshots the film itself fell by the wayside. He needed a hard nose producer to keep him back inside the curbs of story and character. He did finally gather some focus for the last picture, I guess because he was forced to conclude it.
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When The Force Awakens came out, I was pretty disappointed that Abrams just kinda remade the 1977 movie. It was fun and nostalgic, but creatively empty. A lot of fans said the same thing, and I hoped The Last Jedi went in another direction.
It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.
Fans hated it.
So really, why should filmmakers take chances? Abrams is gonna fan-fiction all over the place because of all the bitching about TLJ. It'll be the film fans deserve. Hope y'all like it, but you really won't. 
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Yes, please let us circle back to the film music discussion and not any of this bullshit (can take it to the other side of the board). Thanks.
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I'm excited to hear this new score and any new thematic material that comes out of it. Trying to argue over opinions about whether a movie is good or not is as pointless as arguing with people over a new Game of Thrones episode. Enjoy what you enjoy and let others have their criticisms.
What he said.
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When The Force Awakens came out, I was pretty disappointed that Abrams just kinda remade the 1977 movie. It was fun and nostalgic, but creatively empty. A lot of fans said the same thing, and I hoped The Last Jedi went in another direction.
It did! It subverted everything Abrams set up and I loved it. I love when creators go against the grain and take chances.
Fans hated it.
So really, why should filmmakers take chances? Abrams is gonna fan-fiction all over the place because of all the bitching about TLJ. It'll be the film fans deserve. Hope y'all like it, but you really won't.
Fans didnt hate The Last Jedi because it subverted expectations.They hated it because of terrible storytelling,the character assassination of Luke Skywalker,the arrival of the most annoying and idiotic character in Rose Tico,the forced diversity,and the complete waste of time that was Canto Bight.
Oh and it ripped off the throne room scene from ROTJ ( Even using the Emperors theme for Snoke! ).
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