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I saw the movie, which was okay! I think it had the same issues that the Ron Howard / Jim Carrey one did in that it had to stretch a very short story out to a feature's length. Even the TV special had trouble doing that, really!
The score was solid. I couldn't catch everything in the end credits, but it looks like Elfman contributed to arranging / producing several of the songs as well.
This is more well-publicized in non-film music spaces, but Elfman was apparently pretty heavily involved in collaborating with Tyler the Creator on those two songs. Here's a pretty interesting interview with him on their relationship (complete with the way-buried lead that apparently before he died, Dr. Seuss actually asked Danny Elfman to collaborate with him on a musical version of Oh, the Places You'll Go, news that would have broken my brain if I'd learned it when I was 12):
https://ew.com/movies/2018/11/09/danny-elfman-the-grinch-tyler-the-creator/
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Nov 12, 2018 - 4:54 AM
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I agree with Thor about the mickey mousing, however, I also think this approach was totally right for the film.
Nevertheless, I liked this score a little better than I thought I would, although it's in no risk of upending my Elfman top ten (or even top twenty) list. The actiony cues (heard when the Grinch finally gets around to stealing Christmas) are the highlights for me, but the themes don't really stick as well as I would have liked. Grinch's "sound" sticks, but his melodies really don't, and that's true elsewhere in the score too.
I don't remember the Horner score all that well, but I remember that he captured the wonder and warmth really nicely in his opening cue (ironically, for one of the most garnish, unpleasant films ever produced!). I also remember Horner pulling out some classic "farting tuba" music when Whoville was introduced. Elfman's take on the equivalent scene is significally less flatulent, however he kinda panders for the kids there too.
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I've loved Elfman's music in all its forms since the beginning.
This stuff (his Prokofiev/Rota/Herrmann riffs married to his own style) is what I started out loving.
And I still do.
It's actually the minimal/Glass stuff I like least. They have their moments too, but I wane overall.
Just wanted to chime in with all my buddies and say that my least favorite Elfman is the excessive use of his own home studio, where he adds 144 tracks onto everything and it sounds like pure slop.
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Really like the score (no surprise) and the reaction here has come to be expected. If an identical score had been written by David Newman or Bruce Broughton, we'd all be praising the filmmakers and exalting the composer's efforts.
A lot of talk of Elfman's non-vs-film work, and I imagine if this was a non-film work, authorized by the Geisel estate and based on the Grinch concept, people would feel differently. Instead it's for a movie with seemingly one goal – retain the rights to the story in a tidy $75 million investment that is guaranteed to make the studio money (theatrical box office, tie ins, merchandising, etc.)
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Nov 13, 2018 - 11:38 AM
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Hurdy Gurdy
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I've said this before around here, but anyway, I maintain that the more Elfman has learned over the years and the more accomplished he has become musically and professionally, the duller and less exciting his music is to hear.
With or without Shirley Walker, the sheer craziness and exuberance in his older scores was amazing.
And his writing without boundaries, mistakes even, made his music something to behold and applaud.
You'd hear noises and effects that boggled your ears, in a good way. I always mention that bit during the eclipse sequence in DOLORES CLAIBORNE, wherein he creates a wonderful honking effect. Genius. There are many others. Little rythmic effects that would boggle your brain.
But I don't hear them so much now. The last Elfman score that made me stand up and cheer was REAL STEEL. Cos it sounded like ARTICLE 99 and took the piss, in a good way.
I want that Elfman back.
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What do you think of his violin concerto, Kev?
Yavar
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