There is so very little I'm crazy to see released. I collect since decades (and I have soo much Goldsmith including some unreleased stuff). So much came out, so little I REALLY need is left. I'm a very lucky collector. To be true I'm a little bit tired to see the very very good scores released again again and again. When I was a young man we missed soooo much of Jerry's catalogue. Now nearly everything is released. But my heart is always beating when I see something new is out.
When Ennio Morricone died, I felt that the last of the great ones (in my musical universe) died. Jerry Goldsmith, Horner, Delerue, Barry Gray, the biggest of all Bernard Herrmann (but still not my biggest love...;-)), Bruno Nicolai, Ennio Morricone. In a special way for me time ended with that. I like John Williams, but never loved his music. And all of the modern composers are making me tired. So I will enjoy all the scores of Jerry that will come up and some unreleased/expanded (better) complete of the other composers I named. And for the last decades of my wonderful life I do have a whole lot of unbelievable music to listen to. Thank you all!
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Here's Yavar's to-date list ranked, now featuring his votes! (and a missing one of mine) If something's too low, vote to boost it, you.
TOPS
85 - Black Patch (1957) 79 - The Public Eye (1992) (unused score) 74 - Face of a Fugitive (1959) 64 - Shamus (1973)
MIDDLES
44 - Pursuit (1972) 43 - The Don Is Dead (1973) 38 - The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973) 36 - The Man (1972) 35 - MacArthur (1977) 32 - Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962) 28 - Crawlspace (1972) 26 - General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962)
BOTTOMS
16 - Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963) 13 - Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971) 12 - The Salamander (1981) 10 - The Jerry Goldsmith CBS Library Music - all of it, whole and clear, well sorted, too. 9 - Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) (theme only) 8 - Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966) 8 - Indict and Convict (1974) 8 - Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963) 7 - Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970) 7 - Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962) 6 - Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963) 5 - Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964) 5 - Have Gun 3 - Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972) 1 - Destry (three episodes) (1964) 1 - Hour of the Gun (1967) 1 - The Best of Times (unsold pilot) (1974)
I GOT BUPKIS
87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962) CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968) Dusty (unsold pilot?) (1983) Prudence and the Chief (unsold pilot) (1970) Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961) The Expendables (unsold pilot?) (1961) The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio (1960) The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964) The Last Run (1972) The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961) The Sergeant and the Lady (unsold pilot episode) (1958) Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961) World in White (unsold pilot) (1959) ating when I see tzhere is something new out-
Over the last two decades we've been fortunate to have fine releases of much of Goldsmith's work, including his very best, so, at this point, I'm satisfied with what we have. More than enough for me to listen to and enjoy.
I think that could be said in general about film music as a whole, though. There have been SO many releases and many of the greatest film scores have received definitive editions. So since there are "more than enough to listen to an enjoy" is there really so little point in discussing ones we like that haven't been released?
Anyhow, it looks like interest in this thread in waning, so I'll do a final tally later today. If anyone still wants to weigh in with 1-10 favorite unreleased Goldsmith scores, please do so in the next 4-5 hours or so...
To be honest, I would prefer Shamus/Pursuit/Face of a Fugitive or Black Patch over any 90s Goldsmith release.
Ok, I'll count your vote as 1. Shamus (which gets 10 for the tally), 2. Pursuit (9), 3. Face of a Fugitive (8), 4. Black Patch (7)... unless you tell me a different order of priority for you.
Here are my votes: 1 The Public Eye (Unused) 2 Shamus 3 Face of a Fugitive 4 Pursuit 5 The Man 6 Crawlspace 7 The Salamander 8 Black Patch 9 The Waltons 10 The Last Run
Excellent list!
Okay, starting my tally now. Last call, for real, for anyone else who wants to participate...
1. BLACK PATCH (1957) with a total of 95 points, 14 votes, and 4 first-choice votes!
As Thor said, it's not a hugely surprising winner, since it was Goldsmith's very first feature film score. That said, I also think it merits #1 because the music is just superb, with a main theme right out of Goldsmith's top drawer.
And the rest of the TOP 15:
2. Face of a Fugitive (1959) with 90 points awarded from 12 votes 3. The Public Eye (unused score) (1992) 89 points, 11 votes, 2 first-choice votes 4. Shamus (1973) 83 points, 10 votes, 3 first-choice votes 5. The Don Is Dead (1973) 73 points, 7 votes, 2 first-choice votes 6. Pursuit (1972) 60 points, 8 votes, 1 first-choice vote 7. The Man (1972) 42 points, 6 votes, 3 first-choice votes 8. The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973) 40 points, 6 votes, 2 first-choice votes 9. MacArthur (1977) 35 points, 4 votes, 2 first-choice votes 10. Crawlspace (1972) 33 points, 6 votes, 1 first-choice vote 11. Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962) 32 points, 4 votes, 2 first-choice votes 12. General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962) 26 points, 3 votes 13. The Salamander (1981) 16 points, 3 votes, 1 first-choice vote 14. Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963) 16 points, 2 votes, 1 first-choice vote 15. Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971) 13 points, 3 votes
The remaining options all got 10 points or less, from 2 votes or less
"The Jerry Goldsmith CBS Library Music - all of it, whole and clear, well sorted, too." 10 points, 1 first-choice vote Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) (theme in three versions only; score by Joel Goldsmith) (1991) 9 points, 1 vote Indict and Convict (1974) 6+ 2 = 8 points, 2 votes Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966) 7+ 1 = 8 points, 2 votes Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963) 8 points, 1 vote Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962) 7 points, 1 vote Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970) 7 points, 1 vote Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963) 6 points, 1 vote Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) (1960) 5 points, 1 vote Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964) 5 points, 1 vote Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972) 3 points, 1 vote The Best of Times (unsold pilot) (1974) 1 point, 1 vote The Last Run (1972) 1 point, 1 vote Destry (three episodes) (1964) 1 point, 1 vote Hour of the Gun (1967) 1 point, 1 vote
The rest all got no votes. Thanks to all who participated! I wonder what the next Goldsmith premiere will be...
I´m in for all of Goldsmiths pre 80ies stuff.( `cause all the later ones seem to be covered by now) I collect Goldsmith since I´m about 14 years old and it was really hard to get some LPs back then in Europe. Scores like THE WIND AND THE LION_POLTERGEIST_IN HARMS WAY_CAPRICORN ONE...really hard ones. Everytime I was travelling somewhere I went into the record stores.New York was of course amazing and it was like being in a candy shop...LosAngeles ..London...BREAKHEART PASS I purchased from Belgium.. Of course the hardest one to find and the most expensive one , was THE OMEN. Back than, a retailer was pressing it ( probably without license I guess) and one could order it by phone...the lines where busy.
Nowadays the hunt is almost over...everything seem to be covered...fantastic times of course ( when it comes to CD releases)..yet the treasure hunting was kind a fun too. So thanks again for your list ...and keep the last Goldsmiths´coming.Not much left I think...so...
SECOND place winner Face of a Fugitive was just announced by Intrada today! That's THREE total surprise Jerry Goldsmith premieres from them in less than a year...
SECOND place winner Face of a Fugitive was just announced by Intrada today! That's THREE total surprise Jerry Goldsmith premieres from them in less than a year...
This is a superb score which will surprise many with how different it is from his other western scores (more late Golden Age in feel).
Things sure are going pretty well lately for Goldsmith fans... what will be the next big surprise from his output?
Yavar
Interesting that the CD Album Artwork uses: Music composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith. The Main Title Card in the actual film, lists the Maestro as "Jerrald" Goldsmith.
Definitely looking forward to this INTRADA Release.
1. The Jerry Goldsmith CBS Library Music - all of it, whole and clear, well sorted, too. 2. General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962) 3. The Public Eye (1992) (unused score) 4. Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966) 5. MacArthur (1977) 6. Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962) 7. Anna and the King (eight episodes) (1972) 8. Black Patch (1957 - 33:33 of score) 9. Face of a Fugitive (1959 - 31:15 of score) 10. Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971, 24:38 of score)
My list is more based on interest at the top, and more based on amount of music at the bottom. Lotta estimates there.
I guess the highest to lowest amounts of music like this:
Multiple episode shows The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973) Destry (three episodes) (1964) Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) (1960) Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962) Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964)
Film length programs Crawlspace (1972, 22:05 of score) Pursuit (1972, 21:23 of score) The Man (1972, 13:26 of score) Indict and Convict (1974)
Single episode programs Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961) The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961), 87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962) Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963) Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963) Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963) CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968) Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970) The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964) Hollywood Television Theater ("The Hemingway Play") (possibly a theme only?) (1976) The Sergeant and the Lady World in White The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio The Expendables Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961) Prudence and the Chief (1970) Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972) The Best of Times (1974)
Themes Dusty (1983) H.E.L.P. Theme Black Saddle Theme (1959, uncredited)
1. The Salamander (by a mile long lead over these others) 2. Hour Of The Gun 3. The Last Run 4. Black Patch 5. Shamus 6. Crawlspace 7. The Man 8. The Waltons 9. MacArthur 10. Pursuit
Well, Onya, there's not much to expand on Jerry's Twilight Zone scores. There are two which are totally unreleased on CD and could be premiered -- "The Four of Us Are Dying" and "Nightmare as a Child" might be up your alley, especially the former, Jerry's first work for the series written and recorded in 1959. It's very much in the mold of the jazzier parts of City of Fear, which I know you love. Off-kilter jazzy goodness:
On the existing Goldsmith Twilight Zone disc, the only cues missing from scores are the short opening cue to "Dust" and a couple very short cues (under 20 seconds) from "The Big Tall Wish", which I don't think is one you even like. There are a couple issues with "Nervous Man in a $4 Room" that could be fixed (one cue is too fast, another is incorrectly assembled).
As far as music from the CBS Music Library which was tracked *into* The Twilight Zone, your beloved "Jazz Theme #1" and "Jazz Theme #2" tracks could be expanded, and finally given their proper titles to boot! The former is actually music for an unsold 1959 CBS pilot for a show called "Man on the Beach", and the latter is music for an episode of Studio One in Hollywood, called "The Fair-Haired Boy". We discuss both in this podcast and play additional music from both of these which weren't included on those Jazz Theme tracks: https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/779305-episode-11-man-on-the-beach-1959-the-fair-haired-boy-1958
What is Dusty (1983)? Not heard of this.
It's probably nothing. There have been a couple obscure references to Goldsmith scoring an unsold TV pilot by that title in the 80s, but it seems unlikely. Not 100% ruled out at this point, but unlikely.
1. The Salamander (by a mile long lead over these others) 2. Hour Of The Gun 3. The Last Run 4. Black Patch 5. Shamus 6. Crawlspace 7. The Man 8. The Waltons 9. MacArthur 10. Pursuit
SCOTT
WISH LIST Hour of the Gun The Chairman The Last Run The Other Shamus MacArthur
While I never got around to incorporating these picks from Scott and (Member) and recalculating totals, doing so would already have been out of date now, because Intrada just yesterday announced a premiere release of SHAMUS which was on both their lists!
Shamus won 4th place in the poll results, and is Intrada's 4th Jerry Goldsmith premiere of the past year!
This poll was initially spurred by their release of Take Her, She's Mine about a year ago, and since that time they have also released Face of a Fugitive (2nd place winner in this poll) and The Don Is Dead (5th place winner)! That means, of the Top 5 Vote-winners in this poll, only two remain: 1st place Black Patch and 3rd place The Public Eye.
Maybe when another premiere gets announced I'll consider re-doing the poll...
Their FIFTH Goldsmith premiere this past year knocked out the poll's Bronze Medal (3rd place) winner!
Looks like I might have to re-do this poll. Since I started it (spurred by their premiere release of Take Her, She's Mine), Intrada has released 4/5 of the Top 5 winners of the vote count! The only one they haven't done yet is Black Patch, the #1 winner and Jerry's first ever feature score. Presumably tapes for this are lost to time, but maybe they'll do a re-recording some day.
I wonder if people would still be interested to participate in a new version of this poll now that four of the most-desired premieres were released...
Do rerecordings count? I would like to see Tadlow tackle a complete "in Harm's Way" since none of the remainder of the master tapes exist since that slightly expanded reissue from Intrada (now out of print) came out, and the feature film’s director Otto Preminger had the audacity to ditch the master tapes!
Do rerecordings count? I would like to see Tadlow tackle a complete "in Harm's Way" since none of remainder of the master tapes exist since that slightly expanded reissue from Intrada (now out of print) came out.
Can we be sure there will be anymore Tadlow recordings after King of Kings, what with James' health issues and all. Unless Quartet changes its mind about re-recordings after the backlash towards Endless Night from Bill Wrobel and his conspirators (the most polite word I can think of for them), I think Intrada would be our best bet once they decide to get the next Kickstarter recording underway, if it ever happens.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with THE PUBLIC EYE now on its way, does this mean that BLACK PATCH is now the ONLY Goldsmith feature score - rejected or otherwise - that hasn't had a release? If so, that's pretty amazing!
But how about THE MAN - was that a feature or a TV movie? I always thought it was a TV movie, but IMDb doesn't list it as such, as they do with CRAWLSPACE and PURSUIT, for instance.
EDIT: Apparently it was both! Wikipedia says "The Man was released in theatres on July 19, 1972", and there's this quote from star James Earl Jones: "I have misgivings about that one. It was done as a TV special. Had we known it was to be released as a motion picture, we would have asked for more time and more production money. I regret that."
)..yet the treasure hunting was kind a fun too.
