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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

... The album endures (whichever version you own) because all the tracks are excellent.

Except for the CD version, which has to be rearranged into album order. Played top to bottom, it makes no sense.


Granted - but at least the tracks are there. For what its worth, I've always reprogrammed them into the albums main program. For years I was completely unaware that an alternate version of the album existed overseas. I discovered them when they were included in that anniversary collection 2 CD set.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

... The album endures (whichever version you own) because all the tracks are excellent.

Except for the CD version, which has to be rearranged into album order. Played top to bottom, it makes no sense.


Granted - but at least the tracks are there. For what its worth, I've always reprogrammed them into the albums main program. For years I was completely unaware that an alternate version of the album existed overseas. I discovered them when they were included in that anniversary collection 2 CD set.


Yes, they are all there. The UK LP sequence plays great, IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

The second of six consecutive Barry Bond scores that are, collectively, a considerable achievement in that they all have a "Bond" sound as created by Barry, and they are each unique. Barry's rep for a jazzy James Bond sound is somewhat overstated. Goldfinger certainly has that, and I think Barry went that route because most of the film was set in America, but, really, aside from the Bond theme and those seductive late-night source cues, Barry's Bond scores rely more on a non-jazzy orchestral approach.

Also interesting, especially when listening to countless spy scores that followed in the sixties, how little of Barry's Bond sound relies on the favored spy instruments of the day: electric guitars, organs, and bongos are heard infrequently. (Yes, this is where you note all the exceptions, if you wish. I do know what they are.)
listening
Finally, I can not overestimate the impact of this score. Barry's instinct to make an impression runs throughout. At the end of the teaser, the timing of that big brass opening of the theme is startling, both in and out of context.

Okay, one more thing: As much as I love Barry's music, and this score, the Fort Knox raid music has never worked for me on record. In the movie, yes, which is the important thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

... The album endures (whichever version you own) because all the tracks are excellent.

Except for the CD version, which has to be rearranged into album order. Played top to bottom, it makes no sense.


I assume you are referring to the remastered/expanded release from 2003.
I love the bonus tracks, but they are added at the end for no particular reason.
Of course, although I do not condone the behavior; there are complete releases of Goldfinger out there whereby the sound quality seems virtually equal to official releases.
However one listens to it, Goldginger was the apex of the James Bond franchise.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

... The album endures (whichever version you own) because all the tracks are excellent.

Except for the CD version, which has to be rearranged into album order. Played top to bottom, it makes no sense.


I assume you are referring to the remastered/expanded release from 2003.
I love the bonus tracks, but they are added at the end for no particular reason.
Of course, although I do not condone the behavior; there are complete releases of Goldfinger out there whereby the sound quality seems virtually equal to official releases.
However one listens to it, Goldginger was the apex of the James Bond franchise.


Oh, the bonus tracks are incredible, it's just that they suck at the end of the disc.

That and the out-of-phase instrumental of the Goldfinger theme, that sounds like it was played over the phone for the CD. Someone was out to lunch.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2020 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The trouble with Goldfinger is, he loves only gold. Only gold. Other than that, he's the man.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

That and the out-of-phase instrumental of the Goldfinger theme, that sounds like it was played over the phone for the CD. Someone was out to lunch.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

It's always interesting to me how people can enjoy the same favorite score, yet have wildly differing views on what is the best or worst cue. To me, the high point of the score is "Dawn Raid on Fort Knox". And yes, on the record as a stand-alone listening experience. Far from being boring or "mind-numbing", the repetition and variations create great intensity and excitement, at least to me.
Although completely different in style and tone, Ennio Morricone does this kind of thing all the time, with phrases repeated over and over with slight variations in instrumentation, color, etc. Those are never boring to me either and some are my favorite pieces. I'm quite sure that some folks find them grueling listening experiences.
But hey, different strokes!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

with phrases repeated over and over with slight variations in instrumentation, color, etc. Those are never boring to me either and some are my favorite pieces.

You would love the music of Morton Feldman, Ray W. (if you don't already, that is)

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

with phrases repeated over and over with slight variations in instrumentation, color, etc. Those are never boring to me either and some are my favorite pieces.

You would love the music of Morton Feldman, Ray W. (if you don't already, that is)


I've heard some his stuff. Not my cup of tea. And definitely NOTHING like the Barry and Morricone pieces I'm talking about.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Massive, massive praise for Goldfinger for many of the reasons already stated. In my case, it was the second soundtrack I purchased with my own money (after Return of the Jedi) and it started my love of John Barry’s oeuvre. The song and score are masterworks, both in supporting the film and standalone on album. Legendary on every level—spotting, composition, orchestration, performance, recording.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Massive, massive praise for Goldfinger for many of the reasons already stated. In my case, it was the second soundtrack I purchased with my own money (after Return of the Jedi) and it started my love of John Barry’s oeuvre. The song and score are masterworks, both in supporting the film and standalone on album. Legendary on every level—spotting, composition, orchestration, performance, recording.

Chris


Fantastic, Chris. You clearly get this score the same way I do.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I still think this would have been a better title...

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

In praise of GOLDSNAKE. smile



Hi ZardozSpeaks I just received Goldsnake from Amazon, a bargain at £10.00! Can't wait to hear it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Legato   (Member)

You Can believe what you want but Those Shaw recordings are not real re-recordings

It is what i said the original recording with overlay

Proof the are real

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You Can believe what you want but Those Shaw recordings are not real re-recordings

It is what i said the original recording with overlay

Proof the are real


Would you kindly share some evidence of this?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


Hi ZardozSpeaks I just received Goldsnake from Amazon, a bargain at £10.00! Can't wait to hear it.


Very nice, PollyAnna. That is lower than even Digitmovies' retail store. Hope you like it. If you're a fan of De Masi, then Savina is not too great a leap to take.
I'm on a (not-so) secret mission myself to turn FSMers into Savina fans, though Savina is closer to the Lavagnino camp than any other (with very little in common with John Barry).

Listening to Goldsnake, I feel aural affinities with TV thriller music and Asian exotica more so than James Bond. Imagine Duning's The World of Suzie Wong blended with an episode of I Spy or The Man from U.N.C.L.E.. It's swingin' 1966 - 'shake' well ... until switched-on, baby!

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The mono version of the "Goldfinger" theme on the mono US LP sounds great.

The problem with the version on the CD is that it is out of phase.

It sounds as if the producer took the rechanneled stereo version from the stereo LP master, collapsed it back to mono, and didn't bother to notice that it was out of phase.



I save all my old-edition soundtracks, so I just compared that instrumental on the first EMI CD to the 2003 expansion. They both sound fine to me. What the heck are you talking about? Is there any chance your personal copy of the 2003 is defective, or your file of it is corrupted?

In other news, I just played the GOLDFINGER expansion in film order, and it really is better that way. I had a similar experience with the GNP CD of THE WRATH OF KHAN: you put it in film order, and you had a major upgrade for free. Who came up with these stupid LP orders in the first place? What were they thinking?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I save all my old-edition soundtracks, so I just compared that instrumental on the first EMI CD to the 2003 expansion. They both sound fine to me. What the heck are you talking about? Is there any chance your personal copy of the 2003 is defective, or your file of it is corrupted?

I can easily recognize azimuth and phase issues. On the track in question, it is readily apparent on the cymbals.

Do you have the actual mono version, either on the UK 45 or the US mono LP, for comparison? They are like night and day.

United Artists was notorious for using a form of re-channeled stereo on their stereo LPs that results in phasing issues when collapsed to mono, and I have the LPs to prove it. Someone involved with the Goldfinger CD clearly folded to mono the re-channeled stereo version of the instrumental for the CD. It sounds like it is being suffocated with a pillow.

Do a search on different record labels' approaches to re-channeled stereo. Some approaches were more benign than others. The information is out there, and it can be demonstrated using waveforms.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

"....It sounds like it is being suffocated with a pillow..."

Onya wins the Ben Carson Music Description Award for the week!! smile

 
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