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 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Has it really been 21 years?! eek Ugh, the years are going by so fast.
Regarding this release, instant purchased!

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   ShadowStar   (Member)

Has it really been 21 years?! eek

Indeed it has! Happy 21st birthday (almost) to this revolutionary comic book movie! big grin I remember the excitement of seeing it in the cinema.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

I know the other scores get more attention, but for me this is my favourite X-Men score. Can't wait.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

That track list is awesome, I love how thorough they were, to even use available disc space to include film constructs, that's great!

Can't wait to learn more about the different versions of cues, etc.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I would suggest if you want this order it asap. We know how it goes nowadays. 3000 print run, but only a portion of that is printed at one time. It will "sell out" fast, then it will be another five years before another print run is done!

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I know the other scores get more attention, but for me this is my favourite X-Men score. Can't wait.

Logan & Rogue is one of Kamen's best cues. I was never sure if the choral synth overlay was necessary in the film mix, but to each their own. Ecstatic they also put the end credits edit on there, which was a mystery to me they left it off the original album.

Other X-Men movies did it better but the first one remains closest to my heart, warts and all.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I would suggest if you want this order it asap. We know how it goes nowadays. 3000 print run, but only a portion of that is printed at one time. It will "sell out" fast, then it will be another five years before another print run is done!

I'll be en route home from work at 3:00. Already have my mobile browser logged into my account, and I have a reminder set to go off when it's time to pull over and order! LOL

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

If Disc 1 is "the film score" than why are a lot of the film versions on Disc 2?

If I had to guess, disc 1 is as Kamen wrote it, disc 2 contains the overdubs/remixes that were done for the film.


That's how I'm interpreting it too. Definitely eager to read the liner notes!


Because Disc 1 ALSO has tracks labeled (Film Version), I wonder if:

Disc 1 and Disc 2: Original Album Tracks feature Kamen's music sans Badelt in a "Kamen is happy with this music"-state

Disc 2: Additional Music features all the edits and Badelt overdubs that is in a "Kamen is not happy with this music"-state but represents what is actually heard in the film

To make sense though, it would have to mean that on the original 12-track release, 7 of those cues (the ones listed here under "Original Album Tracks") were always WITHOUT Badelt, while the remaining 5 DID have Badelt.

In that case, I'd assume "Death Camp" was always sans Badelt and that the version that opens Disc 1 is just a different take than the one which opens Disc 2.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

There are some curiosities in the track list that will hopefully be answered in the liner notes!

For "Final Showdown", the "Film Mix" is in the main program while the album mix is on disc 2. Yet for "Cerebro" and "Magneto Stand Off", the "Film Mix" is on disc 2, while the album mix is in the main program.

For "Death Camp" and "Museum Fight", the "Film Version" is in the main program while the album versions are on disc 2. Yet for "Helicopter Hijack", "Train", "Kelly Dies", "Xavier Falls", "Jean Uses Cerebro", "Land of Tolerance", "The X-Jet", and "Logan Holds Rogue", the "Film Version" is on disc 2 while versions with no parentheticals are in the main program.

I'm sure there is smart and well-informed reasoning behind all these programming decisions, and I can't wait to see what they are!

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

There are some curiosities in the track list that will hopefully be answered in the liner notes!

For "Final Showdown", the "Film Mix" is in the main program while the album mix is on disc 2. Yet for "Cerebro" and "Magneto Stand Off", the "Film Mix" is on disc 2, while the album mix is in the main program.

For "Death Camp" and "Museum Fight", the "Film Version" is in the main program while the album versions are on disc 2. Yet for "Helicopter Hijack", "Train", "Kelly Dies", "Xavier Falls", "Jean Uses Cerebro", "Land of Tolerance", "The X-Jet", and "Logan Holds Rogue", the "Film Version" is on disc 2 while versions with no parentheticals are in the main program.

I'm sure there is smart and well-informed reasoning behind all these programming decisions, and I can't wait to see what they are!


Yeah, those parts threw me off too.

The only thing I can guess is Disc 1 is the movie as Kamen would have/did score without Badelt, and that "film versions" of Kamen-only music in Disc 1 are just there to help it match up to the movie as much as possible (since the film wasn't actually Kamen-only), while the "album versions" on Disc 2 are still Kamen-only music, but as scored prior to being edited into "film version" and therefore more difficult to sync up to the movie.

So in theory you would be able to take Disc 1 and play it roughly in sync with the movie.

Which would leave "Additional Music" as essentially the music editor's version of the score with all the Badelt overdubs.

Basically:


Disc 1 - Kamen-only music: matched to film as much as possible

Disc 2 "Album" - Kamen-only music: in "album" format before being edited for the film

Disc 2b "Additional" - Kamen music with Badelt overdubs: as edited and presented in the film release

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

SAMPLES and Direct order link:

https://lalalandrecords.com/x-men-expanded-limited-edition-soundtrack-2-cd-set/

1280x1280 cover:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lj8wphc2lt/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/592/1501/X-Men_front_cover_HQ__78476.1620672306.jpg

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

So the Cerebro "Film Mix" sample has what appears to be SFX, so it seems like some tracks will have SFX?

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

If I had to guess, disc 1 is as Kamen wrote it, disc 2 contains the overdubs/remixes that were done for the film.

That's how I'm interpreting it too. Definitely eager to read the liner notes!


Something to keep in mind: the movie had a crushing post-production schedule. It was originally slated for Christmas 2000 when FOX decided to make it a Summer 2000 tentpole event, so they literally had five or six months struck from their calendar to really perfect everything. I can't remember if it was this one or X2 that Bryan Singer had a meltdown on - but I want to say it was this because FOX handed him the bag of shit in terms of schedule changes. It also explains why things like SFX are a little wonky.

Kamen was already ill by this point, so it could very well be that he didn't feel well enough ... or it could be a schedule conflict. Or maybe he brought on Badelt for help (though I sorta remember Laura Donner saying they wanted more techno because "thats what the kids like" or something?) or maybe because of the sudden fast track, he couldn't bang out material / changes quick enough. This was the guy who hired 14 arrangers and orchestrators for Robin Hood and shared credit with Orbital on Event Horizon, after all - it wouldn't be unusual for him to ask for help. He was nothing if not extremely collaborative.

So the Cerebro "Film Mix" sample has what appears to be SFX, so it seems like some tracks will have SFX?

Going by that sample, it doesnt sound like SFX but digital sampling. To me, anyway.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


So the Cerebro "Film Mix" sample has what appears to be SFX, so it seems like some tracks will have SFX?


That's not movie sound effects, that is part of the music.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)


So the Cerebro "Film Mix" sample has what appears to be SFX, so it seems like some tracks will have SFX?


That's not movie sound effects, that is part of the music.


Really? The voices at the beginning sound like SFX.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   David Mueller   (Member)

Looks beautiful. And it will be mine. Ordered it together with X2 by Ottman.

Really? The voices at the beginning sound like SFX.
The voices are also a part to the music.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Looks beautiful. And it will be mine. Ordered it together with X2 by Ottman.

Really? The voices at the beginning sound like SFX.
The voices are also a part to the music.


I've had the Ottman X2 score for several years, and it's a fantastic expansion! The digital only expanded version of "Days of Future Past" is also worth a purchase.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   David Mueller   (Member)

I've had the Ottman X2 score for several years, and it's a fantastic expansion! The digital only expanded version of "Days of Future Past" is also worth a purchase.

I never really listened to "Days of future past". It has some really good cues but overall it was not that great Imo.. I have to revisit this but I liked Ottmans "Apocalypse" more... just because of the first three choir heavy cues and his version of Beethovens 7th symphony.

And I really hope that LLL will continue with X-Men.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I've had the Ottman X2 score for several years, and it's a fantastic expansion! The digital only expanded version of "Days of Future Past" is also worth a purchase.

I never really listened to "Days of future past". It has some really good cues but overall it was not that great Imo.. I have to revisit this but I liked Ottmans "Apocalypse" more... just because of the first three choir heavy cues and his version of Beethovens 7th symphony.

And I really hope that LLL will continue with X-Men.


For me, I felt the expanded version (labeled and sold as being from "The Rogue Cut") really made the score better than the OST.

I enjoyed "Apocalypse" a great deal too--and for the same reasons (more because of the choir than Beethoven though). I hope that some day a expanded version of that score will surface, but I'm not holding my breath.

 
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