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To me this release should be supported as the gold standard that all releases strive to achieve. The John Williams releases have tended to be firmly in this category such as “E.T.”, “AI”, “Harry Potter”, etc.
The irony of this statement is that two of the three examples you give DON'T have the original album(s) in them.
They don’t? I thought they did contain the alternates that were presented on the original commercial releases, just as “alternates”.
I certainly don’t know what’s on the 4 CDs but I’m referring to what others were speculating, and going off the fact that 4 CDs is A LOT of music for one standard-length film.
But who knows, maybe one whole disc is polka arrangements of the music. I guess that could become a gold standard in its own way? Polka arrangements of “Dances with Wolves” or “Star Wars”?
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I know I was touting alternates and all that stuff but I will say that for Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves it was a bit overlong. BUT - still welcome.
I would love to have the individual tracks though. How cool would it be to hear individual recordings for all the different mic positions of a score? Like Star Wars!!! That would be so awesome.
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I think the music is thrilling regardless of being monothematic and I’m happy to have such an impressively thorough release. I don’t think there is an appropriate argument for a middle ground. I am always 100% in favor of getting AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in the releases we get. COMPLETE is always the goal, and any additional materials that are available like alternates are more-than-welcome and fascinating to listen to and study.
For me it's more a matter of time, or lack there of to be more precise. I just don't really have the time to listen to all the alternates and study and compare them. So unless an alternate is really different, like for instance the two 'The Mirrors' tracks on Goldsmith's "The Shadow", I just don't really care about them.
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For me it's more a matter of time, or lack there of to be more precise. I just don't really have the time to listen to all the alternates and study and compare them. So unless an alternate is really different, like for instance the two 'The Mirrors' tracks on Goldsmith's "The Shadow", I just don't really care about them.
I'm with you on that, and "The Mirrors" is a great example of an alt that's essential.
I tend to only put select tracks on my iPhone, and I use that as my media player when I'm in my car or at work. I usually start with the just the complete score, omitting the album versions that I'm already familiar with, and any alts that seem to be significant.
For something like the LLL edition of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, for example, there's a lot of it that I just haven't brought over. The early versions that Robert Wise made Goldsmith rework are interesting, but disc 3, which is all the alternates, is frankly territory that I don't really want to get into at all. A lot of it is repetitive and does not seem to be that different from what's available on the set elsewhere.
Now THAT said, since LLL went through the trouble of restoring and putting out such an historically significant score, I'm glad that they released every useable bit of it, so that no further expansion would ever be necessary. And I think they did it in the best possible way... all the alternate stuff is relegated to the back, on its own disc, and you can just kind of ignore it you want to.
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Roger says
INTRADA Announces:
 
SLEEPY HOLLOW
Music Composed by DANNY ELFMAN
ISC 464
Intrada brings a taste of Halloween to the world a few months early with this new, 4-CD set of Danny Elfman's dark, serious work for Tim Burton's 1999 adaptation of Washington Irving's Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow was familiar territory for Elfman: gothic, mythical, creepy, action-packed and romantic. The score features a prominent main theme for the horseman himself. Or is it for Ichabod Crane? Perhaps it's a theme that unifies Crane's childhood and the headless horesman. While the melody is as lyrical as anything Eflman has ever written, it resonates very differently in its various guises throughout the score, whether sung by a boy's choir or by the orchestra playing powerfully over a blasting pipe organ. It's a score that churns and moves in dark powerful currents, a storm of danger and dread.
The score in the film runs 95 minutes, from which Hollywood Records culled 68 minutes for its original album presentation. With the support of both Hollywood Records and Paramount Pictures, Intrada presents a 4-CD set of the score, including some rare finds. The first disc presents the original Hollywood Records program. Discs 2–3 cover the complete score as heard in the film, with the fourth disc featuring over 66 minutes of original and alternate versions, often markedly different from the versions ultimately used in the film.
In Burton’s version of the story, Johnny Depp stars as Ichabod Crane, a New York City homicide detective in 1799, working at the threshold of scientific advances and advocating the use of new forensics technology in a world full of skeptics. Crane is sent to Sleepy Hollow, just up the Hudson River, to solve a string of mysterious beheadings. There he finds a town full of silence and secrets, the heart of which is the Van Tassel family. Crane untangles a complex web of family history and conspiracy involving a dead pregnant widow, a rewritten will, and a possessed Tree of the Dead. Around every turn is the ghost of a Hessian soldier, riding through town and lopping off heads. In digging up the town’s violent past, Crane ends up exhuming his own—a childhood traumatized by the murder of his witchcraft-practicing mother by his hyper-religious father.
INTRADA ISC 464
Barcode: 7 20258546401
Retail Price: $39.99
Starts shipping 7/29
For track listing and sound samples, please visit http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12307/.f
Doug says
Danny Elfman
Label: Intrada Special Collection Volume ISC 464
Film Date: 1999
Album Date: 2021
Time: 251.53
Tracks: 70
STARTS SHIPPING JULY 29
Price: $39.99
Danny Elfman’s powerful greatly expanded 1999 horror soundtrack on 4 CDs! Tim Burton directs, Johnny Depp stars as Ichabod Crane, homicide detective from Washington Irving’s legendary short story. Supporting players include Christina Ricci, Miranda Richardson, Michael Gambon, Casper Van Dien, Jeffrey Jones, plus Christopher Walken as the brutal Hessian headless horseman. Kevin Yagher creates graphic prosthetics, intense film’s art direction wins an Academy Award.
Ichabod Crane, working outside New York City in 1799, brings new forensic technology to solve mystery of numerous beheadings. Dark secrets, conspiracies, complicated family history juxtaposes with frightening Tree of Death and the headless mercenary roaming atop his black steed. It’s strong, scary, violent stuff!
Danny Elfman fashions arguably his biggest, most vividly terrifying score, written for massive orchestra, chorus plus boys choir and soloists, with pipe organ in tow. Elfman melds haunting lyricism with dynamic power and dense intensity. Results are now gentle, now thundering. Epic indeed! Adding further weight to score, Elfman creates several lengthy sequences: The Tree Of Death, The Church Battle, The Windmill, The Chase and Final Confrontation, plus others. Some 95 minutes of music appears in the finished film. All of it appears on this 4-CD release. But there is much much more! Over an hour of additional alternates and rescored sequences also appear. Some of these offer considerably different takes on the same cue, others have rewritten bars that offer subtler alterations.
Rounding out lavish set is Elfman’s original Hollywood label release with 68-minutes of score as presented by the composer in 1999. Entire 4-disc set mastered from digital elements recorded by Shawn Murphy & Jonathan Allen in London and mixed by Robert Fernandez in New York. Sizeable orchestration duties handled by Conrad Pope, David Slonaker, Albert Olson, Steve Bartek, Mark McKenzie, Marc Mann. Allan Wilson conducts, choral work performed by Metro Voices and The London Oratory School SCHOLA. Intrada presentation made possible through Hollywood Records and Paramount Pictures. Dramatic package design by Kay Marshall, literate booklet notes by Tim Greiving. Intrada 4-CD set available while quantities and interest remain!
TRACK LIST
CD 1 Original 1999 Soundtrack Album
01. Introduction (4:16)
02. Main Titles (3:09)
03. Young Ichabod (1:20)
04. The Story… (4:29)
05. Masbath’s Terrible Death (1:35)
06. Sweet Dreams (1:11)
07. A Gift (2:26)
08. Into The Woods/The Witch (3:32)
09. More Dreams (1:42)
10. The Tree Of Death (9:36)
11. Bad Dream / Tender Moment (3:34)
12. Evil Eye (3:43)
13. The Church Battle (3:34)
14. Love Lost (5:16)
15. The Windmill (6:18)
16. The Chase (3:12)
17. The Final Confrontation (4:17)
18. A New Day! (1:29)
19. End Credits (3:18)
CD 1 Total Time: 68:00
CD 2 Sleepy Hollow – The Soundtrack
01. Introduction (Revised) (4:17)
02. A Place Called… (Version #2) / Main Titles (Revised) (5:52)
03. The Story... (Revised) (4:30)
04. Masbath’s Terrible Death (Revised) (1:35)
05. Murder (1:32)
06. Science At Work (2:27)
07. Young Masbath (2:05)
08. Autopsy / Phony Chase (Revised) (2:35)
09. Sweet Dreams (Revised #2) (1:10)
10. Family History (3:47)
11. Spying (Revised) (3:18)
12. Philipse’s Death (Alternate) (1:17)
13. Dream #2 (Revised) (1:41)
14. Into The Woods / The Witch (4:40)
15. Mystery Figure (Alternate) (1:12)
16. The Tree Of Death (Alternate) (10:20)
17. Katrina’s Brew (0:34)
18. Bad Dream / Tender Moment (Version #3) (3:32)
19. Trouble In Town (0:34)
20. The Will (Revised) (2:28)
21. Evil Eye (Revised) (3:43)
22. Lady Van T’s Hand (1:18)
23. The Church Battle (Alternate) (8:48)
CD 2 Total Time: 74:10
CD 3 Sleepy Hollow – The Soundtrack (Continued)
01. The Windmill (Revised) (7:41)
02. The Chase/The Final Confrontation (Version #3); A New Day! (Revised) (9:00)
03. End Credits (Revised)> (3:15)
CD 2 Soundtrack Time: 20:06
Total Soundtrack Time: 94:06
The Extras – Alternates
04. Introduction (Original) (3:50)
05. A Place Called… (Version #1) (1:33)
06. Main Titles (Original) (2:45)
07. Main Titles (Alternate) (2:22)
08. The Story… (Original) (4:27)
09. Ichabod’s Arrival (Alternate) (1:27)
10. Masbath’s Terrible Death (Original) (1:44)
11. Autopsy/Phony Chase (Original) (2:33)
12. Sweet Dreams (Original) (1:18)
13. Sweet Dreams (Alternate) (1:17)
14. Young Ichabod (Revised #1) (1:20)
15. Spying (Original) (3:26)
16. Philipse’s Death (Original) (1:17)
17. Mystery Figure (Original) (1:10)
Alternates Time: 31:00
CD 3 Total Time: 51:07
CD 4 The Extras – Alternates (Continued)
01. The Tree Of Death (Original) (10:23)
02. Bad Dream/ Tender Moment (Original) (3:31)
03. Bad Dream/Tender Moment (Version #2) (3:31)
04. The Will (Original) (2:28)
05. Evil Eye (Original) (3:45)
06. The Church Battle (Original) (8:46)
07. Love Lost (Revised) (5:16)
08. The Windmill (Original) (7:08)
09. The Chase/The Final Confrontation (Version #1); A New Day! (Original) (9:05)
10. The Chase/The Final Confrontation (Version #2); A New Day! (Original) (9:04)
11. End Credits (Original) (3:10)
Alternates (Continued) Time: 66:34
Total Alternates Time: 97:34
CD 4 Total Time: 66:36
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Instant purchase! Take the money, take it!
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Like I said, GOLD STANDARD.
Ordered with extreme prejudice.
I mean, like, I ordered this along with the score for "Extreme Prejudice", not the state of feeling an extreme prejudice for ordering or whatever.
Yavar, you really have helped rake in the big bucks for Goldsmith because I know absolutely nothing about that film but just went for it.
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