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 Posted:   Jul 9, 2023 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Will the "Spock's Brain" score presentation include the one missing track from the 15CD Box (later released on the 50th Set)?
"No Mind / Tense Meeting / Tracking the Alien / The Question M15/M16/M21/M22" (2:31)

Yes.

Thanks for replying. I seriously think about the re-buying the TOS music now because of new linernotes and now 2:31 minutes of music I didn't had before big grin

My notes for the 15CD box set list the track "No Mind/Tense Moment/Tracking the Alien/The Question - M15/M16/M21/M22A/M22 Time: 1:10
So where should the missing music be, that you refer to?


You answered your own question. It's the complete version of the same cue, look at the runtimes. The "No Mind" and "The Question" parts were what was missing in the Box version. This is the info from the 50th Anniversary set.




Does that mean the track on my 15CD set entitled "No Mind/Tense Moment/Tracking the Alien/The Question", is incorrectly titled and should more accurately be titled just "Tense Moment/Tracking the Alien"?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2023 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It would appear so, but I'm only going by the notes and I'm sure LLL or Lukas will respond. I probably shouldn't have said anything to encourage you since you're "the typo man"...On the other hand, I wouldn't mind getting the best "complete" music integrated as you opined in another thread, but it doesn't sound like these will do that, either. Oh well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2023 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

First I'm told that the sound of the library cues in my 15CD set is from an inferior source, and if I want them in better quality I need to buy another multi-disc set of other scores I have absolutely no interest in, just to get the upgraded TOS library cues.
Having eventually reached a point where I don't care about that nonsense any more, I now learn (I think) that a couple of minutes of music listed in the set's track lists as being in my 15CD set isn't actually in the set at all, and that if I want it, I need to buy yet another 2CD set of music I already have (apart from the wrongly-listed and absent couple of minutes) in my 15CD set. Hilarious!

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Hilarious!

I agree, it is indeed hilarious that of all the passionate humans who put together the seventeen hour set of music from this series, they neglected to hire a clairvoyant to foresee that better sources would later be discovered for library cues, and that, unlike the rest of us, they are imperfect beings and made one error when assembling this massive set.

It is a shame that the late night shows are dark due to the writers strike, because otherwise I would fax this hilarious material to Jimmy Fallon.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

First I'm told that the sound of the library cues in my 15CD set is from an inferior source, and if I want them in better quality I need to buy another multi-disc set of other scores I have absolutely no interest in, just to get the upgraded TOS library cues.
Having eventually reached a point where I don't care about that nonsense any more, I now learn (I think) that a couple of minutes of music listed in the set's track lists as being in my 15CD set isn't actually in the set at all, and that if I want it, I need to buy yet another 2CD set of music I already have (apart from the wrongly-listed and absent couple of minutes) in my 15CD set. Hilarious!



No, it's not like that. For TOS alone, you get a lot in the 4-disc 50th Anniversary set:

• A true-stereo version of the main and end titles, with soprano Lulie Jean Norman.
• The missing love theme, a library cue that was used in "Miri" and "Court Martial."
• The corrected (full length) cue from "Spock's Brain."
• The second season library cues in better sound quality.
• The third season library cues in better sound quality.

These enhancements complete and perfect the already-amazing 15-disc box. The "Spock's Brain" cue was an assembly error in the big box. The other things were not available when the box was produced.

Now it appears that the coming 2-disc volumes will include all of these "extras" as well. Having bought both the box and the 50th Anniversary set, I will not be needing the 2-disc sets at all.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

• A true-stereo version of the main and end titles, with soprano Lulie Jean Norman.

The other things were not available when the box was produced.


That track is an edit I made which was derived from the main and end titles found on season 3, disc 1 of the 15-CD set (Spectre of the Gun/The Paradise Syndrome). As mentioned earlier in this thread, that was recorded in 3-track split mono. It's not really a stereo image but it was panned and mixed to be stereo-ish.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So....now when they can swap in the upgrades/fixed tracks and correct the timeline, they omit other cues, so I find that frustrating.

As for the original Box release, with the exception that combining all seasons made the price too high for some people, noone can realistically complain about the contents. Given the enormity of the task, they succeeded beyond all expectations. On the flipside, they could have done a "selections" release like the Mission Impossible collection (probably done in part because that was 7 seasons). That would have truly sucked.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


I agree, it is indeed hilarious that of all the passionate humans who put together the seventeen hour set of music from this series, they neglected to hire a clairvoyant to foresee that better sources would later be discovered for library cues, and that, unlike the rest of us, they are imperfect beings and made one error when assembling this massive set.
It is a shame that the late night shows are dark due to the writers strike, because otherwise I would fax this hilarious material to Jimmy Fallon.





The above is an excellent example of the kind of AI-generated text that has led human writers to go on strike, for fear of being replaced by AI technology. One can instantly spot AI text because, despite AI's speed of "thought" and wide-ranging potential, it has so far failed miserably to incorporate any content remotely resembling genuine humor. Google says it is working on trying to help AI develop a sense of humor and also an ability to produce meaningful sarcasm, but as you can see from the latest example above, these are very early days.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)


The above is an excellent example of the kind of AI-generated text that has led human writers to go on strike, for fear of being replaced by AI technology. One can instantly spot AI text because, despite AI's speed of "thought" and wide-ranging potential, it has so far failed miserably to incorporate any content remotely resembling genuine humor. Google says it is working on trying to help AI develop a sense of humor and also an ability to produce meaningful sarcasm, but as you can see from the latest example above, these are very early days.


While I understand why you might think that AI-generated content lacks a sense of humor, there are some nuances to consider. Comedy and humor are highly subjective and greatly influenced by cultural context, personal experience, and timing, which can make them challenging for AI to master.

it's also true that humor often relies on a shared understanding, context, and subtlety that AI currently struggles with. AI often misses the nuance that comes so naturally to humans, including elements like sarcasm or witty banter.

That is the joke. Personally, I think it's funny you would mention AI taking over people's jobs yet refuse to support a record label that continues to pursue sources that yield better quality results, even if their previous releases were stellar. The original Batman (89), Star Trek 15-Disc set, and Die Hard were all releases I bought on day one. Their remastered releases? Same story.

Granted you could argue that I'm being a hypocrite since I won't be buying the 1701 collection. This decision is not out of spite, but simply because everything that will be released on these CDs will be the same content that is present on the 15-Disc set and the 50th Anniversary Collection. At the same time, I am SO HAPPY that everyone who missed out on both sets will be able to get a huge portion of the music through La-La Land's new releases. Who knows? Maybe GNP will release the remastered music in the future and than everyone will get the chance to have it all legit. They've done it before.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Based on the lack of humor by a large swath of FSM members Ive come to the conclusion most FSM members are A.I's.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

A.I. = Akira Ifukube

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2023 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Based on the lack of humor by a large swath of FSM members Ive come to the conclusion most FSM members are A.I's.

FSM: The Lukas Project

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2023 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Good friend of mine got their copy in the other day and he noticed something peculiar on the spine. It looks like all of these volumes combined will form an image, for this case being the Starfleet Delta. However, it's not the 'Original Series' Delta, but the 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture' delta shield with a circle behind it.

Why is this set using designs that weren't created till the movies?

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2023 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

I'm sure the answer is no, but is there any chance this will be made available as a hi-res download?

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)


I'm sure the answer is no


After doing some research, I have discovered that yes. La-La Land did not intend to use the TMP Delta on the spine artwork. But they did. And I believe I know why the art team made that mistake.

I did a Google search on Delta insignias and saw something interesting. A "Star Trek: The Original Series Delta Personalized Double-Sided Ornament". But it's not the Original Series Delta. It's Star Trek: The Motion Picture's Delta. The 'original series delta' is even in the URL. And if you look at the design of the TMP Delta on the ornament, it's pretty much the same design as the one on this release's spine.

Comparison:


So there you have it. A triple-stacked set of mistakes that started with an incorrectly named Christmas Ornament. I don't think we can blame AI for this one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

After doing some research, I have discovered that yes. La-La Land did not intend to use the TMP Delta on the spine artwork.


For people who want the music, this doesn't seem like a deal breaker. I'm sure it's going to look beautiful on a CD shelf.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm sure the answer is no

After doing some research, I have discovered that yes...

I did a Google search on Delta insignias and saw something interesting. A "Star Trek: The Original Series Delta Personalized Double-Sided Ornament". But it's not the Original Series Delta. It's Star Trek: The Motion Picture's Delta.


Maybe they're going to add the movie scores to these endless re-re-re-release volumes. More old wine in new bottles. To paraphrase JAWS, "we're gonna need a bigger shelf."

Btw, you quoted member jkruppa ("answer is no") who was talking about download versions (presumably audio), not your post.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)


I'm sure the answer is no


After doing some research, I have discovered that yes. La-La Land did not intend to use the TMP Delta on the spine artwork. But they did. And I believe I know why the art team made that mistake.

I did a Google search on Delta insignias and saw something interesting. A "Star Trek: The Original Series Delta Personalized Double-Sided Ornament". But it's not the Original Series Delta. It's Star Trek: The Motion Picture's Delta. The 'original series delta' is even in the URL. And if you look at the design of the TMP Delta on the ornament, it's pretty much the same design as the one on this release's spine.

Comparison:


So there you have it. A triple-stacked set of mistakes that started with an incorrectly named Christmas Ornament. I don't think we can blame AI for this one.


In the grand scheme of things I dont think this matters. Still a great release.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Gone2Disneyland   (Member)


I'm sure the answer is no


After doing some research, I have discovered that yes. La-La Land did not intend to use the TMP Delta on the spine artwork. But they did. And I believe I know why the art team made that mistake.

I did a Google search on Delta insignias and saw something interesting. A "Star Trek: The Original Series Delta Personalized Double-Sided Ornament". But it's not the Original Series Delta. It's Star Trek: The Motion Picture's Delta. The 'original series delta' is even in the URL. And if you look at the design of the TMP Delta on the ornament, it's pretty much the same design as the one on this release's spine.

Comparison:


So there you have it. A triple-stacked set of mistakes that started with an incorrectly named Christmas Ornament. I don't think we can blame AI for this one.


Nice find. Whether or not your speculation that La La Land Record's art team was in error here, I will say as someone with experience providing artwork for a Star Trek licensee, the replies they receive and share with me from CBS licensing to get approvals can at times be rather … fascinating. ::eyeroll::

Personally, like others have shared, this "incorrect" logo on the spine is no deal breaker for me. As Spock told Saavik, "Nobody's perfect." razz

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2023 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)


For people who want the music, this doesn't seem like a deal breaker.


In the grand scheme of things I dont think this matters.


And who's calling it a deal breaker? It wasn't but a few days ago I was praising this new collection for allowing those who missed out on both the 15-disc set and the 50th Anniversary set to have another chance at owning the music. I just find it funny that they're using artwork from a Christmas ornament based on a completely different product. I'm just glad one here has called for a total boycott of this collection out of sarcasm.

 
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