The trailer looks fine the CGI doesn't look disastrous, quite the opposite in fact, this is what action-drama should be or i'm going blind, i can understand taking the flashbacks of Gladiator, why wouldn't it, this is about upholding honor & vengeance. Ridley, when he's on he can be a great movie maker.
Curious if any previous music will be used arranged differently, i think they should recall Gerrard's vocals that marinated real-nice in film scenes, i don't know who this composer is really, but i'm watching the film coz the last one was an epic, so this is viable, even with that rap song linked sword & sandals
I think being shocked that a trailer uses a popular song in 2024 is like being shocked that a score is made available but not on CD, or that there's a new movie based on a comic book, or that people watch e-sports on television. Can't we simply accept that the studios' research tells them that other people like things that a lot of us don't?
Not shocked, but predictable, lazy, shortsighted. If adding a “popular” song to your trailer was a sure fire way of bringing in the audience then every trailer would have rap music. Not saying it won’t bring in the crowds but it may not do squat either. It’s the same old Hollywood thinking coping previous successes will make their film a success. Also as fans of films and film music we’re naturally going to critique the homogenous nature of the industry.
Trailer aesthetics don't engage me, including the choice of music. Feels unimportant. Nor does story elements, really. What I'm more concerned with when it comes to new Scott films is the visual look. This looks too clean and digital. Barely a trace of grain. I said the same thing about the NAPOLEON trailer too, and while the film itself did have some of those elements, it also had some gobsmackingly gorgeous sequences in true Scott style, like the Austerlitz sequence. So I'm hoping this at the very least has some of those too.
I rolled my eyes when I saw those giant war sequences right out of Lord of the Rings. Looks to epic. Maybe it will be the big payoff or maybe it will be another CGI yawn fest. The first film was strong on characterizations and human drama.
You can't do epic Roman films without war scenes. Even the first had some of those, including the jawdropping opening scene. I just hope there's enough texture in them, like the wonderful Austerlitz scene from NAPOLEON.
The music by Zimmer and Gerrard is iconic for the original film.
I agree. So, I'm shocked that Scott didn't hire Zimmer again for this movie. I loved his main rousing theme for the Gladiator. I still play the CD. I assumed the main theme would play again when the new gladiator emerged. I'm rather sad about this.
That was my first thought too. Nothing against HG-W, I quite like him and KoH is good though I prefer his techno-thriller work. But Gladiator was the score that really put Zimmer on the map to a wider public, in the sense that it actually charted, won a GG, went Platinum in the UK and the US and so on. I seem to remember it getting some play on ClassicFM here in the UK also. So yeah, not complaining, but surprised.
Zimmer said he didnt want to do it cause he felt there was no way he could recapture the quality of the first one. He already tried that with Lion King and it didnt work. He just ended up making a copy of the first one. Or something like that.
Zimmer said he didnt want to do it cause he felt there was no way he could recapture the quality of the first one. He already tried that with Lion King and it didnt work. He just ended up making a copy of the first one. Or something like that.
You know what? If that's what he said, I respect that from an artistic point of view. At least it's a reason for him to not be doing it.
Zimmer said he didnt want to do it cause he felt there was no way he could recapture the quality of the first one. He already tried that with Lion King and it didnt work. He just ended up making a copy of the first one. Or something like that.
Zimmer said he didnt want to do it cause he felt there was no way he could recapture the quality of the first one. He already tried that with Lion King and it didnt work. He just ended up making a copy of the first one. Or something like that.
If only Scott had shared the same sentiments.
Here's the exact quote from him:
“It’s really very simple. I’ve done that world. And I think I did it well. And all I’d do is set myself up for either trying to repeat myself, which I don’t want to do, or getting slaughtered by critics who say you didn’t do it as well as you did the first time. We have a gladiator fight in Dune: Part Two, right? We have a gladiator fight in Gladiator obviously, but they couldn’t be more different!
“I liked the idea of moving on and not getting compared to my own work. One way or the other I’d had enough of that, doing three Batman movies or four Pirates [of the Caribbean] movies or four Kung Fu Panda movies. And Gladiator takes a special place in my heart. I think it’s completely undisciplined. It wouldn’t have mattered if I had written the most amazing score, because the music in the first movie sticks in people’s hearts.
“I had that experience doing the live[-action] version of The Lion King. I tried to step out of my own vocabulary. Every time I did, it just didn’t work. So all I could do was repeat myself. You owe it to yourself, and to the audience, to try to do new things.”
Oh I didn't doubt you about Zimmer's reason for not returning to score Gladiator 2. I was just pointing out if only Scott had followed Zimmer's lead and avoided directing or having any involvement in this unnecessary sequel also.
Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Zimmer scores but his lack of self awareness is kinda funny.
I'm not sure that's entirely fair on him. I get being disgruntled about the Remote Control factory churning out similar sounding material and I'm no way an apologist for that. But I really do think Zimmer himself likes to try and experiment and do new things when given the chance. New team-ups to try and find a new sound or weird, experimental sounds and new effects and trying to find new programming - for better or worse towards your particular taste.
He has actively spoken out against others replicating his work, so I do think he's aware of what it's become. But here he's just talking about his own work rather than the work of anyone who has risen through the ranks under him.
I'm not sure that's entirely fair on him. I get being disgruntled about the Remote Control factory churning out similar sounding material and I'm no way an apologist for that. But I really do think Zimmer himself likes to try and experiment and do new things when given the chance. New team-ups to try and find a new sound or weird, experimental sounds and new effects and trying to find new programming - for better or worse towards your particular taste.
He has actively spoken out against others replicating his work, so I do think he's aware of what it's become. But here he's just talking about his own work rather than the work of anyone who has risen through the ranks under him.
I understand guys but for a time it was either Zimmer or Zimmer-lite, and composers like James Horner and so many others were pushed out, not entirely blaming Zimmer for that it's really a studios/ industry thing moving towards sound design rather than genuine melodies/ themes/ structure aka the Jerry Goldsmith/ John Barry/ John Williams/ James Horner traditions. But Zimmer did play his part and he did churn out music whether it was him or underlings in his team, his name headlined many of his scores.
I just think his current statements just come across as ironic considering how many sequels etc he'd worked on before but that's just me.
It would have been ironic if he had said those things while not acknowledging the sequels he's done etc. But as the quote above attests to, he's very much aware of it, acknowledges them and says it's not something he likes do to.
