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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Not a masterpiece or anything, but an excellent, supremely underrated film. Four out of five stars.

I would have rated The Patriot a three and a half when I first saw it in the cinema -- a solid, very good Hollywood epic.

But I watched it again a few years ago, and now consider it one of the finest films of the past 30 years. Five stars easily.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2025 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Anthony N.Putson   (Member)

Amazing release!!!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The 2nd time Williams incorporated the The British Grenadiers (traditional) in the score. The first time was in EMPIRE OF THE SUN. I haven't seen the film in ages- But time to take out the blu ray and refresh. There was a lot of source music there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

Amer, just get the CD set and avoid the pain of the film (apologies for those who love the flick).

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Amer, just get the CD set and avoid the pain of the film (apologies for those who love the flick).

LOL. I only saw this once and on Blu Ray when it was a new thing. But as a student of film music I need to watch the film to co-relate to the scores actual scope. One more viewing should be enough-I'm sure I wont need to rewatch again and again. The 3CD is a definite buy.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Movie??
I thought it was a cartoon!
It manages to give Braveheart a run for its money in the historical bull shit arena and that takes some doing.



Are you being positive or negative?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...!

I have not had that album so i don't mind it big grin

perhaps i should listen to it on spotify

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have not had that album so i don't mind it big grin

perhaps i should listen to it on spotify


It's not on Spotify. Maybe it's on YouTube, haven't checked.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

It's never been released digitally, probably due to some rights entanglement between Hollywood Records and other involved parties.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

As Thor (and Paul Mac) rightly point out, the film is a very handsome production with beautiful cinematography and Williams' score serves as a generous topping of musical class.
But the film, for me, is undone by some OTT acting (overly righteous good guys and moustache twirling bad guys) and a risible story/script that plays so fast and loose with the history and what-not that it's unforgivable*.
This was around the time Mel was hating-on the English, before he turned his hate towards the Jews.
The film certainly has its merits, but they are outweighed by its de-merits to me.







* taking war-time atrocities documented against the Nazi's and applying them to the British/Red Coats.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

All 17 tracks from the old album are on YouTube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdKX0fzjLM&list=PLB24598F8434AD0F8

And there is also this generous suite from the score, to entice any would-be buyers to the 3CD cause wink



 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   A. A. Ron   (Member)

In case anyone's interested, I made a couple of custom covers for this.



 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I hope for the Arnold demos, too. Heck, even the material Harold Kloser said he did, but the director didn't like. And while I think it's possible Williams may see Arnold as a talented artist like himself and would give his nod of approval to the inclusion, I suspect with 99% certainty this will be Williams only. Which doesn't bode well for the work of the other two composers seeing the light of day (unless some label like BST or DDR want to make a release of such material).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

No David Arnold demos whatsoever in this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2025 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

Great covers Ron. These may actually be better than the one on the announced CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2025 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

I do like this Williams score and I am looking forward to the new release in whatever way they accomplish it.

The 36-minute "Ultimate Suite" (above) is comprehensive, but might be a tad too ultimate for some.

As a shorter alternative, might I suggest the 7-minute FILM SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA version.
And I've always thought that the gal who plays the kettle drums in the back is cute.
So shoot me. At 75, I can say so. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDsXJvW1jo

Ron Burbella

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2025 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

The 36-minute "Ultimate Suite" (above) is comprehensive, but might be a tad too ultimate for some.

As a shorter alternative, might I suggest the 7-minute FILM SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDsXJvW1jo



That "Ultimate Suite" is editorially created by the user putting together tracks from the OST album. The link you provided instead is a performance of the concert suite prepared by JW for live orchestra performances and available via his publisher Hal Leonard.

However, at the time of the film's release, a slightly different (and longer) version of the above suite was performed in Boston and Tanglewood, conducted by Williams with the Boston Pops. It's more akin to the End Credit version, with the love theme opening the piece (the violin solo line is played by the whole section), then going into the Patriot theme as heard above and then the bombastic finale (which is adapted from the cue "The Colonial Cause"). For one of those performances, Williams also had the Middlesex County Volunteers Fifes and Drums ensemble joining the orchestra on stage.

Keith Lockhart recorded the longer suite in his 2017 album "Lights, Camera, Music: Six Decades of John Williams":

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2025 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Lovejoy   (Member)

Not a masterpiece or anything, but an excellent, supremely underrated film. Four out of five stars.

I would have rated The Patriot a three and a half when I first saw it in the cinema -- a solid, very good Hollywood epic.

But I watched it again a few years ago, and now consider it one of the finest films of the past 30 years. Five stars easily.


I'll always remember this film as the first one I ever wanted to walk out of the cinema without finishing it. It is an absolutely honking film imo...!

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2025 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)



Keith Lockhart recorded the longer suite in his 2017 album "Lights, Camera, Music: Six Decades of John Williams":



I preffer the OST (sounds better, fuller...)

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2025 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


* taking war-time atrocities documented against the Nazi's and applying them to the British/Red Coats.


I agree, that sequence was arguably apocryphal. The focus of the the British army was against armed rebels, not civilians.

But a Hollywood spectacle has to give us reasons to hate the villain!

Not to get off-topic, but a more-accurate, non-fiction portrayal of the American Revolutionary War is the John Addams series from 2008...

 
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