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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I don't think two discs would do TMP justice - you would need 3 discs for the complete score and all the alternate cues.


Wrong. The complete score is 88:21. Then there are 50:32 of alternates, for a total of 138:44. Just short enough to fit on two discs!


But do we need the alternate cues? There were no alternate cues on the FSM Star Treks.


If you've ever heard them then yes, yes we do. Especially for the early version of "The Enterprise" and one of the alternate "Ilia's Theme" alone. Besides the complete score is too long to fit on one disc anyway, so might as well fill up that second disc!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

I don't think two discs would do TMP justice - you would need 3 discs for the complete score and all the alternate cues.


Wrong. The complete score is 88:21. Then there are 50:32 of alternates, for a total of 138:44. Just short enough to fit on two discs!


But do we need the alternate cues? There were no alternate cues on the FSM Star Treks.


For Star Trek TMP , a Big YES we do, the alternate cue for The Enterprise (on that B word cd) is amazing, and without saying the obvious , ITS JERRY!!

and btw unless Lukas was joking , ha ha, he has the rights for release all the Star Trek movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



Actually the alternates for TMP are very different from their film versions.




I just thought of something, MV mentioned there was a 2 for 1 coming with the rejected score paired with the actual score.

That might take 2 discs, say Wolfen. wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


But do we need the alternate cues? There were no alternate cues on the FSM Star Treks.


Yes, we need the alternates -- they are wonderful but quite *significantly* different from the final versions.

And you're wrong about the FSM Star Treks -- Wrath of Khan had one alternate, namely the original version of the finale before the shots of Spock's coffin on Genesis were added to the film and needed to be scored. And Search for Spock had no less than *four* alternates (totaling 26 minutes, by the way) -- they were presented on disc 2 in the original album presentation (Prologue/Main Title, Klingons, Stealing the Enterprise, and Returning to Vulcan). While previously released they are to varying degrees (sometimes quite extreme as in the case of Klingons) noticeably different from the film versions, which were released for the first time by FSM.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

But do we need the alternate cues? There were no alternate cues on the FSM Star Treks.

For Star Trek 2, there was absolutely an alternate included - the Epilogue at the end of the disc.

And Star Trek 3 has an entire second disc of alternates!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I just thought of something, MV mentioned there was a 2 for 1 coming with the rejected score paired with the actual score.

That might take 2 discs, say Wolfen. wink



I don't know if Wolfen would be considered a "big", comic-con worthy release. I think that's more likely to be one of the grails MV mentioned could be coming between August and November.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

No suites, just alternates, alternates of alternates, alternate alternates, and some cues composed for, but not heard in the film.

To be honest, I agree that two discs would be a fine presentation of the score (I ediited the 3 discs down to a 2 disc set for myself which gets all the play in my house), but if you wanted to avoid all the unavoidalbe whining and "do it right," with EVERYTHING; a 3 disc set would do the trick - though what to fill the remaining 40 odd minutes with would likely commence even more whiningwink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   propinquity   (Member)

I think that one of La La Land's releases will be The Towering Inferno. It won't be soon, as it doesn't qualify as one of the "world premieres" at ComicCon, but maybe later on in the year. It just follows that if they made a deal for Poseidon, they probably made one for this title as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I think all planned June 29 releases are getting postponed, thanks to the Varese Sarabande announcement smile


Nope....

they just aren't ready..



Ford A. Thaxton


You know, I put a smiley there and everything. smile smile smile smile That help?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   soundwave   (Member)

I don't think two discs would do TMP justice - you would need 3 discs for the complete score and all the alternate cues.


Wrong. The complete score is 88:21. Then there are 50:32 of alternates, for a total of 138:44. Just short enough to fit on two discs!


But do we need the alternate cues? There were no alternate cues on the FSM Star Treks.[/endquot, FYI there are alot of Goldsmith and/or Trek score fans that would love to hear these cues.

FYI there are a lot of Goldsmith fans and/or Trek score fans that would love to have the alt cues. Besides the more music the better right?

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)


FYI there are a lot of Goldsmith fans and/or Trek score fans that would love to have the alt cues. Besides the more music the better right?


There is no doubting the many Goldsmith and Trek fans, but releasing every bit music that was ever recorded spread over three CDs seems like overkill not to mention the costs. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys also wanted the outtakes...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

I'm guessing Elfman's Batman is not among the comic con titles, as that should fit on once disc. It should also be unlimited, as all re-use fees were paid for for the OST except for the small portion of missing music.

Wrong.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I'm guessing Elfman's Batman is not among the comic con titles, as that should fit on once disc. It should also be unlimited, as all re-use fees were paid for for the OST except for the small portion of missing music.


Wrong.




Care to elaborate?

I also wrote that before I learned that it was recorded in London.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   darklordsauron   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

As much as I love STAR TREK: TMP's score, having it spread out over three discs is just going to make it boring. Filling out just two discs is seriously pushing it. Stretching it out with material that wasn't even in the film and imperceptibly different alternate takes and edits (the same cue again but just stopped earlier or bolted onto another cue) is just anal-renentive fanwank idiocy. More is not necessarily better, a film or a book is not better because it's longer.

And by dint of being stretched out over three discs, you're doubling the price. For something that doesn't need it. Indeed: if I didn't have the existent expansion, and they annouced a 3-disc set of STAR TREK TMP, I wouldn't touch it. I'd rather go without than pay twice as much and be bored by it.

We are not the custodians of this music, and we have no duty to preserve every last chord.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

As I've said a few times, it all fits on 2 discs.

I think BDM's set contains re-recordings done by other orchestras at other times tacked on, I've seen that on a few boots.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   soundwave   (Member)


FYI there are a lot of Goldsmith fans and/or Trek score fans that would love to have the alt cues. Besides the more music the better right?


There is no doubting the many Goldsmith and Trek fans, but releasing every bit music that was ever recorded spread over three CDs seems like overkill not to mention the costs. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys also wanted the outtakes...


Goldsmith + Trek + More music= Full belly.

Serious I think we are just making "simple" speculations, suggestions, guesses, etc.... No harm done.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Actually the alternates for TMP are very different from their film versions.




I just thought of something, MV mentioned there was a 2 for 1 coming with the rejected score paired with the actual score.

That might take 2 discs, say Wolfen. wink



Could the rejected score mean Goldsmith's alternates from TMP on their own disc?

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Could the rejected score mean Goldsmith's alternates from TMP on their own disc?

I don't think he meant that, no

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Yeah, probably not, right? Wishful thinking I guess.

 
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