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 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


That's true but "Best of both Worlds" may be a bit different. It is one of the most popular scores from a world famous SciFI franchise. The chances were high for this re-release.


Best of Both Worlds is indisputably a better story and execution than ANY of the terrible-to-mediocre TNG feature films (and even arguably better music). I'm so glad that GNP is doing this and wanted to clarify that my surprise about it coming before Insurrection in no way reflects a complaint or dissatisfaction about it. Here's more info for people who may have missed the other thread:

From Facebook: "Best of Both Worlds Expanded Edition will be available mid-May, exact date to be confirmed. Thanks to Lukas Kendall for production and Mark Banning for art."



Fingers crossed for some excellent Jeff Bond liner notes as well -- hopefully with track by track commentary on a supplemental PDF if not the physical booklet itself.

Now I just wonder if this is a one-off to coincide with the theatrical release and special Blu-ray of the episode, or if we might also get similar treatment for Dennis McCarthy's underrated score to Encounter at Farpoint (I don't know how much unreleased music there is but it could really use a remaster at least as it was GNP's first TNG CD).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

expanded? can't wait!

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, I'm pretty sure there's only 2-3 minutes of music still missing (not counting any unreleased alternates that may exist) between the original release and the 5 extra minutes FSM included in their Jones box, but it'll be nice to have it all edited together chronologically with good notes.

The REAL important thing about this release is that it'll be remastered and sound AMAZING -- as good or better than most of the Jones scores in the FSM box did.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Can anyone here in the know tell us whether GNP bought rights for many titles in perpetuity (like Varese did starting in the late 80s) or whether titles like Lee Holdridge's Old Gringo are open for expanded/remastered reissues on other labels?

Is GNP's emergence from hibernation solely a Trek-related thing, spurred by Lukas Kendall?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I suspect, since Joel Goldsmith had been hinting more SG1 stuff was coming, about three years before his sudden passing, that GNP will likely be the culprit. They'll probably expand and remaster the original pilot score, then probably do some of that.

So there's probably that too look forward to and I imagine GNP is probably considering more stuff since they've come out of hibernation.


Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Is GNP's emergence from hibernation solely a Trek-related thing, spurred by Lukas Kendall?



I suspect so, yes.

He's a hero!

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.


Babylon 5 sets of highlights would be nice. It's cool that they did complete score releases but a lot of transition cues and stingers and such weren't really necessary to include. Also, they did one CD per score even if the score was less than 25 minutes long. Even if complete scores were done it would have made much more sense to put three on a CD, IMO. There's a lot of great unreleased music from the series but a middle ground should definitely be found between the two "highlights" volumes and the complete scores.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

Wing Commander!!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

Wing Commander!!!


Well Wing Commander is my guilty favorite score. The Sonic release is less than 40 min and the music in the film is close to 70 min. The music was recorded in England I believe this s/b an easy re-release if Sonic Images no longer has the rights.

I'm hoping LLL would try to take this one on.

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

Wing Commander!!!


Well Wing Commander is my guilty favorite score. The Sonic release is less than 40 min and the music in the film is close to 70 min. The music was recorded in England I believe this s/b an easy re-release if Sonic Images no longer has the rights.

I'm hoping LLL would try to take this one on.


Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Anyone?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 2, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

Wing Commander!!!


Well Wing Commander is my guilty favorite score. The Sonic release is less than 40 min and the music in the film is close to 70 min. The music was recorded in England I believe this s/b an easy re-release if Sonic Images no longer has the rights.

I'm hoping LLL would try to take this one on.


Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Anyone?


Ford A. Thaxton


Umm no I was just hoping for more music that's all. Sorry Ford I guess I didn't know about that. Thank you for the info.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2013 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   gnpcrescendo   (Member)

We know that at the very least we will be getting a complete Star Trek: Insurrection release from GNP Crescendo, thanks largely to the efforts of Lukas Kendall I suspect (as well as Paramount apparently wanting re-releases of all the Trek scores in complete form).

I was just wondering if after that GNP was going to go dormant again, or if perhaps they might be spurred to exploit a little more of their back catalogue...might the label have the energy to tackle a few more things beyond their Trek feature scores?



Star Trek is a great part of our catalog but we do actually have an otherwise large repertoire that we manage. We're happy to polish up some of the older releases now (yes, you should thank Lukas), but we haven't been gone, just doing non-Trek things.

 
 Posted:   May 3, 2013 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Maybe Sonic Images will come out of hibernation, too. Heck, why not -- they probably got some stuff, too that needs re-issue and they might hold the rights to.

Wing Commander!!!


Well Wing Commander is my guilty favorite score. The Sonic release is less than 40 min and the music in the film is close to 70 min. The music was recorded in England I believe this s/b an easy re-release if Sonic Images no longer has the rights.

I'm hoping LLL would try to take this one on.


Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Anyone?


Ford A. Thaxton


If he's going to buy all copies pressed, then never. But what a film score fan choses to spend their money on, is another thing. This wouldn't be, after all, the first time a label has produced something a composer wasn't happy with, or expanded upon a score a composer didn't think needed expanding.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

We know that at the very least we will be getting a complete Star Trek: Insurrection release from GNP Crescendo, thanks largely to the efforts of Lukas Kendall I suspect (as well as Paramount apparently wanting re-releases of all the Trek scores in complete form).

I was just wondering if after that GNP was going to go dormant again, or if perhaps they might be spurred to exploit a little more of their back catalogue...might the label have the energy to tackle a few more things beyond their Trek feature scores?



Star Trek is a great part of our catalog but we do actually have an otherwise large repertoire that we manage. We're happy to polish up some of the older releases now (yes, you should thank Lukas), but we haven't been gone, just doing non-Trek things.


Exciting news that you might be revisiting other older releases besides Star Trek -- thanks for the answer! (And thanks, Lukas!)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, Ford, I'm sure that's what he wants Kiner to do.

I wonder if you're ever able to answer a question without sounding like a bitter old fart? Seriously, the tone is beyond tiring, but I guess we should just all pretend you're like that old uncle in the room who consistently says the most annoying things but "oh that's just Uncle Pete. He's always been like that."

It would also help your cause if you knew how to spell.

Seriously, f*$king annoying. If you have a lot of knowledge, which you do, just impart it without being a douche. Just my own opinion, of course. I can't imagine anyone else on the board shares it.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Anyone?

Ford A. Thaxton


Funny you should talk about this, since I and other Wing Commander fans have been hoping for an expanded release of the original SI album. Theres at least two cues that are really great that are left off the original album (the second half of the first Kilrathi attack where Rosie is killed and the march as the Marines board the Diligent).

So while Mr Kiner may not be too happy with his output, there are many people that are. Lets not forget David Diamond didn't think Rounds was his best work and Hovhaness didn't think much of Mysterious Mountain... but it *is* the music they're remembered for.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Anyone?

Ford A. Thaxton


Funny you should talk about this, since I and other Wing Commander fans have been hoping for an expanded release of the original SI album. Theres at least two cues that are really great that are left off the original album (the second half of the first Kilrathi attack where Rosie is killed and the march as the Marines board the Diligent).

So while Mr Kiner may not be too happy with his output, there are many people that are. Lets not forget David Diamond didn't think Rounds was his best work and Hovhaness didn't think much of Mysterious Mountain... but it *is* the music they're remembered for.


This is such a tiresome and nonsensical argument. How many expanded scores against the composers wishes does FAT own? How many expanded scores against the composers wishes do other composers own? Artists are their own worst critics. Art is for mass consumption and the generally public is far more forgiving. If they don't want it heard, then they shouldn't be writing music for the commercial business.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Well, that release was produced by KEVIN KINER who choose what cues made it, mostly orchestral cues, he did a number of synth cues that he wasn't very happy with as I recall.

So do you want him to put out music of his that he doesn't want out because he think's it not that good?

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, Ford, I'm sure that's what he wants Kiner to do.

I wonder if you're ever able to answer a question without sounding like a bitter old fart?


Sadly I don't suffer clueless fools very well.

As for an expanded edition of WING COMMANDER, maybe someday.

Ford A. Thaxton


 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

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This is such a tiresome and nonsensical argument. How many expanded scores against the composers wishes does FAT own? How many expanded scores against the composers wishes do other composers own? Artists are their own worst critics. Art is for mass consumption and the generally public is far more forgiving. If they don't want it heard, then they shouldn't be writing music for the commercial business.


To be fair, in the case of a LIVING COMPOSER who I work with, I as a rule try and work with them on expanded editions and whenever possible respect their wishes.

In some cases the artist is no longer with us and their estates really don't care, so that's a very different animal.

You don't have to hear from them if they aren't happy, I know.

I did an expanded project a few years back that the label demanded contain unreleased music in order to help sales, the composer was in the middle of a project that wasn't available and the label didn't want to wait and I had to put something together that I thought would be a balance between the original album presentation and some unreleased tracks.

Well, it came out and that composer is still bitching to me about it all these years later.

It's not fun.

I can't speak for what others do in these cases, that you'll need to ask them.

But Fanboys want what they want and in my experience, the composer's wishes be damned.

Wow, that's showing some respect towards the folks whose music we enjoy.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Not to get off the subject but thanks everyone for responding to my Wing Cmdr. sdtk question. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just hoping for an expanded release. I hope Sonic Images will allow LLL or any other record label expanded this bombastic cool score.

As for BOBW oh yeah my wallet says no but I say bring it on!

smile

 
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