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Love this set, it has awesome sound, lots of previously heard and unused music filling in the gaps, resulting in yet another quality production from La-La Land.
But, did anyone else notice that this particular version of "Bank Invasion" was not included?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGewYAchJs
And also, I couldn't find vamping percussion heard during the Harlem sequence, i.e. when the street gang confronts McClane
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Dec 22, 2012 - 6:21 PM
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Tom Servo
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Love this set, it has awesome sound, lots of previously heard and unused music filling in the gaps, resulting in yet another quality production from La-La Land.
But, did anyone else notice that this particular version of "Bank Invasion" was not included?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGewYAchJs
And also, I couldn't find vamping percussion heard during the Harlem sequence, i.e. when the street gang confronts McClane
Interesting, it almost seems to be that that "Bank Invasion" cue is overdubbed with more snare drum, but is essentially the same cue... it could be that the overdubbed percussion track could not be located.
As for the vamping, is it not included in the "Wild Vamps" track at the end of disc 2?
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Sorry, I haven't received mine yet. What is "vamping"? Is Grace Jones involved?
That's a bummer about the film version of "Bank Invasion" I really like that cue.
Vamping= Improvisation
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That version of "Bank Invasion" is more than an overdubbed snare drum, though; I'm wondering what happened to the completely different opening and ending (the latter fades out in the film when John and Zeus reach Tompkins Square Park and the pay phone is ringing.)
And no, the Harlem vamping percussion does not appear in the last track of Disc 2, nor does it have anything to do w/ Grace Jones lol
In the film, that percussion cue is overdubbed w/ drum rolls from "John and Zeus"
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I just rewatched the film yesterday (great experience all over again), and came to a few conclusions about the missing music.
Apart from "Somebody Had Fun", it sounds like there was another wild snare cue recorded and used sporadically throughout the film (and over the film version of "Bank Invasion"), but that snare cue isn't included on the LLL set for some reason. Another instance when that second snare cue is used occurs when McClane enters the Federal Reserve and walks up to Karl, the security guard.
After looking at the soundtracks entry on IMDB for DH:WAV, it is possible that "Gift Rapped" by Mark Mangini could be the Harlem percussion beat that I'm referring to, but until we actually hear the track, there is no way of knowing for sure.
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Mar 8, 2013 - 10:02 PM
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Tom Servo
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Well, after trying out several different versions I think I found my best highlights version of this 2-CD set. I wound up whittling down the 2-CD DIE HARD set to a 70-minute version, while surprisingly I find that most of the 2-cd DIE HARD 2 makes for great listen. With DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, I wanted to create a version that contained the highlights unique to this score, omitting much of the note-for-note recap of cues from the previous films. I went back and forth between versions that were too long with some zone-off points and versions that were too short to make a good impact. In addition, I wanted to think about as a proper album presentation, not being restricted by a chronological order for the cues and freely including the bonus, alternate or unused tracks.
See below for my 71-minute album version, which opens with the end credits presentation of "Johnny Comes Marching Home", which I found makes for a bold, arresting kickstart:
Johnny Comes Marching Home 1:39
John and Zeus 3:20
Taxi 1:51
Papaya King 5:19
Taxi Chase 5:08
The Subway (Part 1) 4:24
The Subway (Part 2) 2:15
Take A-nother Train 2:54
Feds 4:42
Infiltration 5:33
Bank Invasion 4:15
Panic 2:04
Aqueduct 2:12
Yankee Stadium / School and Tunnel 3:42
Mercedes Chase / School Assembly 3:14
Hooking the Boat 5:45
Running in the Halls 1:42
Holly / Celebration 3:17
Escape 2:05
Ode to Johnny 3:12
Bonus Track: The Foundry 3:08
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"Escape" is an amazing cue.
I agree it is a great piece, but the shrill, high-pitched, bleating trumpet bursts are quite unpleasant IMO...if they could be scrubbed from the track that would be very cool indeed.
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"The Subway Pt. 1" is an amazing cue! Probably my favorite of the score.
Also, I just realized the other day that the pounding, deep piano ostinato from the cue (starting at 1:33 and continuing throughout) is a reworking of the main percussive ostinato in Die Hard cues such as "Tony and John Fight" and "Shooting the Glass." One of the greatest parts of being a film score geek is discovering these connections, even after hearing the scores countless times prior!  Anyone else notice that connection?
Furthermore, I have to say that I love the fat, rich quality of the snare drums in DH3. Anyone else agree? Check out 2:00-3:42 of "Yankee Stadium/School and Tunnel" for example, or the non-alt version of "Fake Cops". Another great example is during the above mentioned track "The Subway Pt. 1", alongside that deep piano ostinato. Not sure how the snares are different, nor can I prove that they are, but they just sound much more resonant and powerful, particularly when held up to the snares of DH2 ("Marching to the Annex" or "Chasing the Jet" for example) or DH1 ("Assault on the Tower"). Not that I'm complaining one bit, I just liked that the snares were beefed up for part 3. Maybe a different type of snare, maybe some processing was done, maybe it was the session player, maybe all 3...
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It's unbelievable how much of the music is chopped up and spread around
It wouldn't be a Die Hard score if it wasn't! 
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My single most favorite cue on the new DH3 album is "Yankee Stadium / School and Tunnel", for the section that was tracked into the End Credits. I remember seeing the film for the first time in the theaters and not really being taken by the music until I heard that section during the credits. Had long lamented that it was left off the album. Took me many years to learn that the suite was an editorial creation in post.
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It's unbelievable how much of the music is chopped up and spread around
It wouldn't be a Die Hard score if it wasn't!
DH2 plays in the film like the 2CD presentation plays on album. For the others, it's a McTeirnan thing. Take Predator, Hunt for Red October, Last Action Hero and The 13th Warriors as other great examples of post chop down.
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