Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2012 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

One could certainly find Kamen's score for DIE HARD 3 as the final word he had to say on that musical universe, seeing as how he recapped much of what he wrote for the first two films. However, there is also a great deal of music specifically composed for the first two that are not incorporated into WITH A VENGEANCE, thus each score has its own unique elements that can be appreciated. The massive "Assault on the Tower" cue from DIE HARD is pretty much endemic to just that picture, it really isn't recapitulated into the subsequent scores in any major fashion. And interestingly, I find that I hear more DIE HARD 2 in DIE HARD WITH VENGEANCE than the original score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2012 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

I listening to this now (up to Taxi Chase, which is great. I love percussive style music like this) and reading the booklet. I'm curious how much wasn't put on the CD's when it notes that the bulk of the music recorded was included. What is missing?

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2012 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Love this set, it has awesome sound, lots of previously heard and unused music filling in the gaps, resulting in yet another quality production from La-La Land.

But, did anyone else notice that this particular version of "Bank Invasion" was not included?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGewYAchJs

And also, I couldn't find vamping percussion heard during the Harlem sequence, i.e. when the street gang confronts McClane

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2012 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Love this set, it has awesome sound, lots of previously heard and unused music filling in the gaps, resulting in yet another quality production from La-La Land.

But, did anyone else notice that this particular version of "Bank Invasion" was not included?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGewYAchJs

And also, I couldn't find vamping percussion heard during the Harlem sequence, i.e. when the street gang confronts McClane


Interesting, it almost seems to be that that "Bank Invasion" cue is overdubbed with more snare drum, but is essentially the same cue... it could be that the overdubbed percussion track could not be located.

As for the vamping, is it not included in the "Wild Vamps" track at the end of disc 2?

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2012 - 7:35 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Sorry, I haven't received mine yet. What is "vamping"? Is Grace Jones involved?
That's a bummer about the film version of "Bank Invasion" I really like that cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2012 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Sorry, I haven't received mine yet. What is "vamping"? Is Grace Jones involved?
That's a bummer about the film version of "Bank Invasion" I really like that cue.


Vamping= Improvisation

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2012 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

A 'vamp' usually means a passage repeated for as long as its needed -- common in musicals and played under dialog, which natually isn't going to have a set timing.

Though acording to Urban Dictionary, vamping means doing improvisation over such music, not just improvisation in general.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2012 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

That version of "Bank Invasion" is more than an overdubbed snare drum, though; I'm wondering what happened to the completely different opening and ending (the latter fades out in the film when John and Zeus reach Tompkins Square Park and the pay phone is ringing.)

And no, the Harlem vamping percussion does not appear in the last track of Disc 2, nor does it have anything to do w/ Grace Jones lol

In the film, that percussion cue is overdubbed w/ drum rolls from "John and Zeus"

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2012 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Aggelos   (Member)

That version of "Bank Invasion" is more than an overdubbed snare drum, though; I'm wondering what happened to the completely different opening and ending (the latter fades out in the film when John and Zeus reach Tompkins Square Park and the pay phone is ringing.)


Same here... I though this would appear on LLL release as well, but it seems that it was a last minute change by the director (I guess). Heretofore, we have to rely on the isolated score for that version





http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
http://oxforddictionaries.com/

vamp = an improvised accompaniment, consisting largely of chords ; a short introductory musical passage often repeated several times (as in vaudeville) before a solo or between verses ; (in jazz and popular music) a short, simple introductory passage, usually repeated several times until otherwise instructed.

to vamp = to improvise (an accompaniment) to (a tune),

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2012 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

That version of "Bank Invasion" is more than an overdubbed snare drum, though; I'm wondering what happened to the completely different opening and ending (the latter fades out in the film when John and Zeus reach Tompkins Square Park and the pay phone is ringing.)


Same here... I though this would appear on LLL release as well, but it seems that it was a last minute change by the director (I guess). Heretofore, we have to rely on the isolated score for that version





http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
http://oxforddictionaries.com/

vamp = an improvised accompaniment, consisting largely of chords ; a short introductory musical passage often repeated several times (as in vaudeville) before a solo or between verses ; (in jazz and popular music) a short, simple introductory passage, usually repeated several times until otherwise instructed.

to vamp = to improvise (an accompaniment) to (a tune),


Both the "Jonny Comes Marching Home" intro to the bank invasion as well as the harlem drum loop seem to be source music. The latter might be "Gift Rapped" or "Westwood On a Friday Night" by Mark Mangini (the film's sound designer).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2012 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   kusi81   (Member)

Maybe MV could provide us some more informations about the specific cues. Would be great to have it to complete the set smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2012 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

I just rewatched the film yesterday (great experience all over again), and came to a few conclusions about the missing music.

Apart from "Somebody Had Fun", it sounds like there was another wild snare cue recorded and used sporadically throughout the film (and over the film version of "Bank Invasion"), but that snare cue isn't included on the LLL set for some reason. Another instance when that second snare cue is used occurs when McClane enters the Federal Reserve and walks up to Karl, the security guard.

After looking at the soundtracks entry on IMDB for DH:WAV, it is possible that "Gift Rapped" by Mark Mangini could be the Harlem percussion beat that I'm referring to, but until we actually hear the track, there is no way of knowing for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2013 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Mr. Wilde   (Member)

A fantastic soundtrack, one I've been waiting for years.


But I am a bit disappointed by The Subway (Part 1). I think I was hoping for the film version, especially for the climax when the subway enters Wall Street station and McClane throws the bomb out of the window. The elements are all there in the track on the CD, but differently mixed.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Well, after trying out several different versions I think I found my best highlights version of this 2-CD set. I wound up whittling down the 2-CD DIE HARD set to a 70-minute version, while surprisingly I find that most of the 2-cd DIE HARD 2 makes for great listen. With DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, I wanted to create a version that contained the highlights unique to this score, omitting much of the note-for-note recap of cues from the previous films. I went back and forth between versions that were too long with some zone-off points and versions that were too short to make a good impact. In addition, I wanted to think about as a proper album presentation, not being restricted by a chronological order for the cues and freely including the bonus, alternate or unused tracks.

See below for my 71-minute album version, which opens with the end credits presentation of "Johnny Comes Marching Home", which I found makes for a bold, arresting kickstart:

Johnny Comes Marching Home 1:39
John and Zeus 3:20
Taxi 1:51
Papaya King 5:19
Taxi Chase 5:08
The Subway (Part 1) 4:24
The Subway (Part 2) 2:15
Take A-nother Train 2:54
Feds 4:42
Infiltration 5:33
Bank Invasion 4:15
Panic 2:04
Aqueduct 2:12
Yankee Stadium / School and Tunnel 3:42
Mercedes Chase / School Assembly 3:14
Hooking the Boat 5:45
Running in the Halls 1:42
Holly / Celebration 3:17
Escape 2:05
Ode to Johnny 3:12
Bonus Track: The Foundry 3:08

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 10:59 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

"Escape" is an amazing cue.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

"Escape" is an amazing cue.

Agreed, which is why I had to find a place for it in my highlights version. I actually just watched the film for the first time in years and noticed that the tail end of "Escape" is used, for when John and Zeus are escaping from the cargo ship rigged to explode. I thought it was an entire cue not utilized at all in the film!

In addition, I noticed that "Papaya King" is split up, the first half heard early on while the latter half underscores the convoy trucks traveling on the NY bridge and up to the aqueduct scene. I think the cues "Mercedes Chase / School Assembly" and "Running in the Halls" are the only ones heard in complete fashion in the film as they were recorded. It's unbelievable how much of the music is chopped up and spread around, mixed with copious amounts of "Assault on the Tower" from DIE HARD. And it's so odd when concert piece "The Foundry" is used for about 20 seconds in the fight sequence on the cargo ship, like it was left in from some earlier temp track for the movie.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

"Escape" is an amazing cue.

I agree it is a great piece, but the shrill, high-pitched, bleating trumpet bursts are quite unpleasant IMO...if they could be scrubbed from the track that would be very cool indeed.

---

"The Subway Pt. 1" is an amazing cue! Probably my favorite of the score.

Also, I just realized the other day that the pounding, deep piano ostinato from the cue (starting at 1:33 and continuing throughout) is a reworking of the main percussive ostinato in Die Hard cues such as "Tony and John Fight" and "Shooting the Glass." One of the greatest parts of being a film score geek is discovering these connections, even after hearing the scores countless times prior! smile Anyone else notice that connection?

Furthermore, I have to say that I love the fat, rich quality of the snare drums in DH3. Anyone else agree? Check out 2:00-3:42 of "Yankee Stadium/School and Tunnel" for example, or the non-alt version of "Fake Cops". Another great example is during the above mentioned track "The Subway Pt. 1", alongside that deep piano ostinato. Not sure how the snares are different, nor can I prove that they are, but they just sound much more resonant and powerful, particularly when held up to the snares of DH2 ("Marching to the Annex" or "Chasing the Jet" for example) or DH1 ("Assault on the Tower"). Not that I'm complaining one bit, I just liked that the snares were beefed up for part 3. Maybe a different type of snare, maybe some processing was done, maybe it was the session player, maybe all 3...

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

It's unbelievable how much of the music is chopped up and spread around

It wouldn't be a Die Hard score if it wasn't! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

My single most favorite cue on the new DH3 album is "Yankee Stadium / School and Tunnel", for the section that was tracked into the End Credits. I remember seeing the film for the first time in the theaters and not really being taken by the music until I heard that section during the credits. Had long lamented that it was left off the album. Took me many years to learn that the suite was an editorial creation in post.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

It's unbelievable how much of the music is chopped up and spread around

It wouldn't be a Die Hard score if it wasn't! wink


DH2 plays in the film like the 2CD presentation plays on album. For the others, it's a McTeirnan thing. Take Predator, Hunt for Red October, Last Action Hero and The 13th Warriors as other great examples of post chop down.

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2022 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved...