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Most of this stuff is in UCLA Special Collections (at least true of the scores). Actually, there are a number of GI tapes there as well. What's interesting is that Fried mostly recorded his complete scores for the series two at a time. For instance, Up At Bat and Gilligan VS Gilligan, were recorded on a "double session" on the same day (July 1966) as were the scores for Ring Around Gilligan (Fried) and Man With A Net (Don Ray) (in early September 1966).
Sorry to bump an old thread. Boughtfan - I notice you seem to know a lot about the scoring of Gilligan's Island. I was wondering if you have any exact infomation on the episode "Gilligan VS Gilligan". I note you mention it was recorded in July 1966. I am trying to track down the exact date of the recording session. Do you know it?
Sure. 21 July, 1966. Score was recorded on a double session (CBS Studio Center) with "Up At Bat" (which appears to have been recorded first). Sorry that I don't have the recording times.
Happy to help, supply what info I have.
Thanks so much! You're a treasure trove of information. Hopefully one day the entire score will get a commercial release!
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As far as a speculative "Gilligan" collection release goes, I'd recommend a four-disk set (most of the cues people remember). Since the series was a half-hour sitcom, one in which 10-12 minutes of underscore would have been considered a "music heavy" show, it's conceivable this proposed four-disk set would satisfy almost any fan of this music.
Disk 1
Gilligan's Travel's (original unaired GI pilot, re-edited into S1's "Birds Gotta Fly, Fish Gotta Talk") - John Williams (rec. TCF 1/64)
Gilligan's Island (series music, mostly rec. CBS Studio Center, Studio City, CA, cues recorded September 1964 - January 1967)
S1 Main Title (Schwartz/Wyle) - arr. by Ernest Hughes
President Gilligan - Lyn Murray (rec. Goldwyn, complete)
Two on a Raft/Goodnight Sweet Skipper (partials) - Frank Comstock
Goodbye Old Paint (partial) - Mort Stevens
Don Ray S1/2 JW "Gilligan" theme adaptations (used for act-ins, "Wasps")
Composed by Don B. Ray (S2 partial scores)
The Friendly Physician (mad scientist)
V is for Vitamins
Gilligan's Living Doll (robot)
The Chain of Command
Forward March
Composed by Gerald Fried (S1, complete score unless otherwise indicated):
So Sorry, My Island Now (Japanese sailor)
X Marks The Spot (partial)
Disk 2
Composed by Gerald Fried
Season 1 (cont.)
Gilligan Meets Jungle Boy (heavily tracked into latter S1 shows)
How To Be A Hero (partial)
Diamonds Are An Apes Best Friend (partial)
Season 2 (mostly complete scores)
Beauty Is as Beauty Does (beauty contest, contains several cues tracked into S2)
Agonized Labor
Gilligan's Mother-In-Law
The Sweepstakes
The Little Dictator (rec. Desilu-Gower 'F')
MIne Hero (partial, G tows mine out to sea cue)
Castaways Pictures Presents (partial, castaways make silent film)
Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet (cosmonauts on island)
Season 3 (Fried, complete)
Voodoo (witch doctor)
Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow
Disk 3
Composed by Fried, Don B. Ray
Rev. Main Title (S2/3) - arr. by Ian Freebairn-Smith, cond. Mort Stevens
(Gerald Fried S3 cont., all complete scores)
Pass the Vegetables, Please (radioactive seeds)
Where There's A Will
Gilligan VS Gilligan (look-alike enemy agent on island)
Ring Around Gilligan (mad scientist returns)
Up At Bat (vampire bat/dream sequence)
Don Ray (partial/complete)
Topsy-Turvy (G sees double)
Man with a Net (butterfly hunter, largely complete)
The Invasion (secret agent dream sequence)
Disk 4 (Ray/Stevens/Extras)
The Producer (underscore) - Stevens/Ray
Composed by Don Ray
Gilligan Goes Gung-Ho (search plane music, also used in "Splashdown," teaser cue, "Murder" comp. Fried)
Splashdown (signaling space capsule with Prof's tandem bike transmitter)
Court Martial (Lord Admiral Gilligan dream sequence)
The Hunter
The Kidnapper (Don Rickles)
Lovey's Secret Admirer (Cinderella dream sequence)
Slave Girl
The Pigeon (giant spider music)
Composed/Arranged by Mort Stevens
The Pigeon (flying cues originally recorded for "It's About Time")*
Gilligan, The Goddess (teaser cue)
'Hamlet cast' pre-recordings arrangements for "The Producer" (recorded with Fred Steiner "Gunsmoke" score)
* - speculation (as to cue composer)
S2 End Title (arr. Freebairn-Smith)
Extras (a few ideas)
Music Hath Charms (Fried - bottle orchestra)
Sailing, Sailing (arr. by Fried from "Quick Before it Sinks")
Gypsy Fortune Teller Music (Richard Shores, comp. for "Perry Mason," used in "Ship Ahoax")
CBS Sunday/Wednesday Night at the Movies Theme (comp. Stevens? used in "Meet the Meteor")
Mosquitoes Rock (instrumental heard in "Don't Bug the Mosquitoes")
Side note: many cues heard in S1 were taken from the CBS library (from productions as far back as the early 1950s).
I think this would be the perfect way to present the music of Gilligan's Island! It's pretty much my last remaining grail. That, and John Marion's music from The New Adventures of Superman (Filmation 1966).
Honestly, anything that contained William's original GI pilot score, and Fried's score for Pass the Vegetables Please would be an instant buy for me.
Ernest Hughes was an associate of C.B.S. West Coast Musical Director Herschel Burke Gilbert, who was musical director for the first season of the series.
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Sure. 21 July, 1966. Score was recorded on a double session (CBS Studio Center) with "Up At Bat" (which appears to have been recorded first). Sorry that I don't have the recording times.
Happy to help, supply what info I have.
Boughtfan - I am hoping you might be able to give me a few more bits of infomation.
Do you know the date, "So Sorry, My Island Now" was scored.
I am also after the date for "Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet", but would like to know if the opening cue for that episode was original or tracked from a previous episode.
Finally, do you have any infomation regarding the scoring sessions for "It's About Time" (1966-67)?
Thanks for your help!
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Sure. 21 July, 1966. Score was recorded on a double session (CBS Studio Center) with "Up At Bat" (which appears to have been recorded first). Sorry that I don't have the recording times.
Happy to help, supply what info I have.
Boughtfan - I am hoping you might be able to give me a few more bits of infomation.
Do you know the date, "So Sorry, My Island Now" was scored.
I am also after the date for "Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet", but would like to know if the opening cue for that episode was original or tracked from a previous episode.
Finally, do you have any infomation regarding the scoring sessions for "It's About Time" (1966-67)?
If you want you can reply to this post, or send me an email at: rjf0012@outlook.com
Thanks for your help!
Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
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Sure. 21 July, 1966. Score was recorded on a double session (CBS Studio Center) with "Up At Bat" (which appears to have been recorded first). Sorry that I don't have the recording times.
Happy to help, supply what info I have.
Boughtfan - I am hoping you might be able to give me a few more bits of infomation.
Do you know the date, "So Sorry, My Island Now" was scored.
I am also after the date for "Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet", but would like to know if the opening cue for that episode was original or tracked from a previous episode.
Finally, do you have any infomation regarding the scoring sessions for "It's About Time" (1966-67)?
Thanks for your help!
Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
That's fantastic! Thanks for all your info, it's much appreciated!
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Sep 26, 2022 - 5:48 AM
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Boughtfan - I am hoping you might be able to give me a few more bits of infomation.
Do you know the date, "So Sorry, My Island Now" was scored.
I am also after the date for "Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet", but would like to know if the opening cue for that episode was original or tracked from a previous episode.
Finally, do you have any infomation regarding the scoring sessions for "It's About Time" (1966-67)?
If you want you can reply to this post, or send me an email at: rjf0012@outlook.com
Thanks for your help!
Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
That's fantastic! Thanks for all your info, it's much appreciated!
Happy to help.
Might be interesting to mention that Fried, at least on his GI scores, would indicate the recording date on all of the cues (though I don't recall seeing dates listed on either his Mission: Impossible or ST:TOS scores). Other composers, such as Dick Shores on his "5-0" scores, would indicate the day a cue was completed. Fred Steiner, on his sketches and self-orchestrated scores, would indicate, in boxed text (sometimes handwritten, sometimes rubber stamped), the month the music was composed (e.g., JULY 1967).
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Boughtfan - I am hoping you might be able to give me a few more bits of infomation.
Do you know the date, "So Sorry, My Island Now" was scored.
I am also after the date for "Nyet, Nyet, Not Yet", but would like to know if the opening cue for that episode was original or tracked from a previous episode.
Finally, do you have any infomation regarding the scoring sessions for "It's About Time" (1966-67)?
If you want you can reply to this post, or send me an email at: rjf0012@outlook.com
Thanks for your help!
Hi.
Here's the recording dates:
So Sorry, My Island Now (Gerry Fried's first score for series) - 12/23/64
Nyet, Nyet - 11/1/65 (recorded with Wild Wild West partial and GI library cues, the latter mostly by Don Ray). Opening cue reads 'Opening' (J. Williams) but arranged by Fried and for this episode.
It's About Time recording dates (ones I have):
Composed by Gerald Fried (unless otherwise indicated):
The Initiation, The Rainmakers - 8/16/66
The Copper Capper, Tailor Made Hero - 8/23/66
Courtship of Miles Gronk (Don Ray, Joel Davis*) - 9/6/66
Mark Your Ballots (Don Ray) - 9/13/66
The Champ (Ray) - 9/19/66 partial (p)
Androcles and Clon (Don Ray, Mort Stevens) - 10/20/66 p
Love Me, Love My Gnook (Fried) -11/9/66
Shad, Rock & Other Tortures (Stevens) - 1/3/67
Cave Family Swingers (Ray) - 1/16/67 p (rec. with GI Slave Girl, also DR)
* - Both CBS music staff
On occasion, episode titles changed between post production and broadcast.
Anyway, that's what I have.
That's fantastic! Thanks for all your info, it's much appreciated!
Happy to help.
Might be interesting to mention that Fried, at least on his GI scores, would indicate the recording date on all of the cues (though I don't recall seeing dates listed on either his Mission: Impossible or ST:TOS scores). Other composers, such as Dick Shores on his "5-0" scores, would indicate the day a cue was completed. Fred Steiner, on his sketches and self-orchestrated scores, would indicate, in boxed text (sometimes handwritten, sometimes rubber stamped), the month the music was composed (e.g., JULY 1967).
Boughtfan - I'm hoping you might be able to help me once again. I am looking for the date the score of "The Producer" from Gilligan's Island was recorded, particularly the Hamlet sequences in the last half of the show. I am also after the date that the second or third series M.T and E.C. were recorded.
Finally, completely off-topic but do you have any idea if the session tapes for "Bewitched", "Brady Bunch" or "I Dream of Jeannie" exist, and if so, where they may be found?
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
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Dec 18, 2022 - 8:38 PM
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TvS -
There were two "Producer" sessions, a pre-score date (for the cast "Hamlet" sequences) and an underscore session, both conducted by Mort Stevens:
6/17/66: Pre-score (recorded with Fred Steiner "Gunsmoke" score, "The Mission")
9/13/66 Underscore (score composed by Stevens and Don Ray recorded with Wild Wild West and IAT partial scores).
The America Heritage Center (Univ. of Wyoming, Laramie) has a plethora of Frank DeVol scores (including a ton of arrangements and film score cues from such feature films as Murder, Inc.). When last I visited there I scanned some Family Affair and My Three Sons scores, but don't recall seeing anything from The Brady Bunch (which was Paramount Television, those scores, likely not part of the collection). Also at AHC a number of Warren Barker's S1, 4-6 "Bewitched" and all of his S3 "That Girl" scores. In a number of instances, there are both scores and recordings in the AHC collection, the studying of the music manuscripts being my particular aim. As you may be aware, the Hugo Montenegro collection (scores and recordings) was recently acquired by a private collector. So if there's any extant "Jeannie" score recordings it's a fair bet that those tapes are in the possession of the aforementioned collector (I tried to acquire the one HM "Monkees" score in the collection, but was unsuccessful).
Gilligan's Island S2 MT was, I believe, recorded 8/13/65 as I recall seeing that date on the score manuscript. Can't say for certain, but I'm thinking the main title was not rerecorded for S3 (at least on DVD, S2 and 3 openings sound identical).
Hope this helps you.
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TvS -
There were two "Producer" sessions, a pre-score date (for the cast "Hamlet" sequences) and an underscore session, both conducted by Mort Stevens:
6/17/66: Pre-score (recorded with Fred Steiner "Gunsmoke" score, "The Mission")
9/13/66 Underscore (score composed by Stevens and Don Ray recorded with Wild Wild West and IAT partial scores).
Thanks for the date, Boughtfan. I am trying to locate the tapes for these in the UCLA special collections (https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt8x0nd51b/dsc/?query=%22gilligan%27s%20island%22;dsc.position=1#hitNum6)
I can't seem to locate the pre-score among the tapes - only recordings from June 7, 1966. It's possible that they are simply mislabeled in the collection, as I have found this to be the case before. I don't suppose you know what log number or reel number they are?
Regardless, thanks so much!
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Dec 19, 2022 - 9:13 AM
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Broughtfan
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TvS -
There were two "Producer" sessions, a pre-score date (for the cast "Hamlet" sequences) and an underscore session, both conducted by Mort Stevens:
6/17/66: Pre-score (recorded with Fred Steiner "Gunsmoke" score, "The Mission")
9/13/66 Underscore (score composed by Stevens and Don Ray recorded with Wild Wild West and IAT partial scores).
Thanks for the date, Boughtfan. I am trying to locate the tapes for these in the UCLA special collections (https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt8x0nd51b/dsc/?query=%22gilligan%27s%20island%22;dsc.position=1#hitNum6)
I can't seem to locate the pre-score among the tapes - only recordings from June 7, 1966. It's possible that they are simply mislabeled in the collection, as I have found this to be the case before. I don't suppose you know what log number or reel number they are?
Regardless, thanks so much!
This is probably a long shot, but maybe the GI tracks are included with the Steiner Gunsmoke tapes.
Here's the info I have:
Prod (Session) #:203
Recording Time: 1:00 - 5:15
Co-Leaders: Fred Steiner, Morton Stevens
Wish I could help more.
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Well, I visited a few years before the pandemic. So I couldn't say if there's been a change in visitor policy. I will tell you that it's the only place I could find out anything about Nelson Riddle's Batman scores (no scores, but several pages of Sam Horta's music editor notes), which I found in boxes of the William Dozier Collection). Also, I was looking to view scores, not sample session recordings. Also was interesting was finding Gerry Fried's S1 GI music, which, surprisingly, is not included in the UCLA Collection.
Unlike UCLA, AHC staff put out as many boxes as I requested (sometimes as many as seven or eight). I hope to make it back there sometime as for a composer/arranger, at least for me, the experience of visiting is akin to a child spending a week in Hamleys or F.A.O. Schwartz. Days spent there go way too fast for me. Could easily spend 18-20 hours a day there (instead of office hours).
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I wish collections like this were in my city. I'd go there once a while and just start going through boxes and cataloging the full contents and making notes to the staff about improperly located materials and where they need to go.
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I would love anything….
Maybe a 2CD set of collected highlights, perhaps, of this live action cartoon music.
Me too. Gilligan's Island is my last remaining Grail. I'd love all the music by Williams, Comstock, Ray, and Fried, from all three seasons. 2CDs ought to do it.
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Dec 20, 2022 - 6:20 AM
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Broughtfan
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I would love anything….
Maybe a 2CD set of collected highlights, perhaps, of this live action cartoon music.
Me too. Gilligan's Island is my last remaining Grail. I'd love all the music by Williams, Comstock, Ray, and Fried, from all three seasons. 2CDs ought to do it.
Well, Fried, over S2,3, scored a dozen or more complete episodes (as well as some partials). Averaging 8-10 minutes per show (some scores, such as "Ring Around Gilligan," running about 13 minutes). So, let's say 2 hours. It would then require one and a half disks just for these cues. Don Ray/Mort Stevens cues would (easily) take up its own disk, JW's Travels pilot, LM's President Gilligan and the Comstock cues would take up a little over half a disk, add in Fried's S1 scores (his first two among the most lengthy he composed for the show) and the different versions of the MT/ET and that's another full disk.
Three disks would get a lot of it, make a nice representation of music composed for the series, but probably not everything (and not including the CBS Library stuff tracked in from Perry Mason, Gunsmoke, Radio Library, etc. in S1).
FYI: The only Fried-credited ep music I couldn't find (at either UCLA or AHC) is for S1's "X Mark's The Spot." Watching the show recently, have come to the conclusion that it may be a tracked show, the rocket music, probably coming from the CBS Library (though Fried might have composed as a partial). The military music (heard in the non island sequences) is, I think, from Murray's score for "President Gilligan." Have since amended/corrected my earlier post.
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