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 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Well my copy has arrived today and naturally the first disc I popped in was the bonus disc that features for the first time ever the short theatrical cut in a widescreen format (I only looked at that for a few seconds. Transfer is certainly good) and also the 1992 LD version. Although it's presented in a windowboxed Standard Definition transfer it does retain the original Hunt/Joe Caps commentary track with the isolated score sans vocals during the songs. Enjoying this informative commentary once again and it's so great that unlike many other great commentaries from the Laser Disc era, this one hasn't been lost to the world of obsolete formats and bootlets.

I have transferred the three discs in this set to a slim six-disc Blu-Ray case in which these can now take their place alongside (1) my "unofficial" HD Blu-Ray that combined the LD cut with previous remastered versions so that it is the best "viewing" copy for me (2) the 1976 "Ben Franklin-Portrait Of An American Family" short film with da Silva reprising his role and (3) the final space will be for a boot video of the 97 Broadway revival since it features the novelty of Stone tweaking the libretto in spots that wasn't done for subsequent revivals. And with that, four versions of the film and appropriate bonus materials makes this the last word in all forms of "1776" material one could ever hope to have!

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Eric Paddon, my contract with pioneer and Columbia said that if columbia reused my commentary track, they had to ggive me credit on the covers.
I say a blowup of the slipcase which does not have my name. Is it anywhere printed on the disc covers?

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Joe, I must sadly report it is not on the back cover ("With optional commentary featuring director Peter H. Hunt") nor on the menu screen (which again only lists Hunt's name). I'm very sorry to hear that you were not given your proper due credit for this as you should have been.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I must unfortunately report a problem on the LD transfer which may be a comment on how the video master has deteriorated over the years. At 2:13:47 (just prior to "Molasses to Rum") the video suddenly distorts and becomes B/W and the audio distorts as well (as well as on the commentary track). It clears up at 2:15:04 before the song begins. This is the kind of problem one sees like when one watches a deteriorating videotape master element. I would have to say it's likely every person will see on their copy and they should have posted a notice about that.

This is not a defective disc problem, it's clearly a deteriorating source element since obviously they were going back toa thirty year old master for this.

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I must unfortunately report a problem on the LD transfer which may be a comment on how the video master has deteriorated over the years. At 2:13:47 (just prior to "Molasses to Rum") the video suddenly distorts and becomes B/W and the audio distorts as well (as well as on the commentary track). It clears up at 2:15:04 before the song begins. This is the kind of problem one sees like when one watches a deteriorating videotape master element. I would have to say it's likely every person will see on their copy and they should have posted a notice about that.

This is not a defective disc problem, it's clearly a deteriorating source element since obviously they were going back toa thirty year old master for this.



Maybe they should have sourced that section from an extant laserdisc. But I doubt they actually viewed the thing either before or after the transfer. And if they did, they may have thought that it was just another section where a black-and-white workprint was used.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   themusicman926   (Member)

I received my copy yesterday as well and I got the chance to sit down and watch the original theatrical cut. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the film how audiences back in the day would have seen it too, and I never knew that that specific cut of the film did not utilize the opening title sequence with the hand-drawn background and original Broawday overture (the credits and overture are heard/seen at the end of the film, but this time over the final shot of the cast signing the declaration). This film is also presented with its original mono soundtrack, and I feel that the orchestrations don't come through as well as they do in more recent mixes of the soundtrack, but I guess you'll have that with as single channel mix. I know that this isn't the ideal cut for fans (probably less ideal than the 2002 Director's Cut, due to the lack of "Cool Considerate Men") but I definitely will return to it sometime in the future if I'm looking for a slightly shorter and more casual viewing of the film.

I have not yet had the opportunity to watch the LaserDisc transfer just yet (might do that sometime today or later this week), but based on what I saw from skipping through it, it does indeed look like a great transfer. It definitely is a step up from the copy I have (which I bought for the sole purpose of being digitized and generally having a physical version in my collection) as my edition is a re-release of the '92 cut which suffers from a lot of film rot, so the images appear much darker and faded at times. I am glad to now have a transfer of the original Pioneer release and see how it is supposed to look, and of course including the original commentary (with the added bonus of the instrumental tracks!). I am especially grateful that this edition has finally seen an official release after many years, and it may end up replacing the "Extended Cut" as my annual viewing for Independence Day!

For those unaware, Disc 1 in this set is a proper 4K presentation of both the director's and extended cuts of the film (with 7.1 Dolby Atmos sound), and disc 2 is exactly the same as the Blu-ray disc that was released in 2015, although the art on the disc itself is different. Disc 3 has the 2 "lost" cuts of the film, with the only other options being subtitle setup or the Joe Caps commentary (for the LaserDisc version).


As a side note, and completely unrelated: Does the cover art used for the DVD and Blu-ray versions (and the 50th anniversary edition) not make sense to anyone? We have Thomas and Martha Jefferson placed in an embrace in the center, with two different pictures of Lee on either side of them and members of the congress at the bottom, but nowhere insight are Adams or Franklin. It just seems an odd choice of character placement and I'm glad that the original theatrical poster was used as a slipcase for the new edition.

Anyway, buy this edition and you'll never have to rely on a bootleg or obsolete media again!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   cinemel1255   (Member)

Received my 1776 UHD 4K yesterday. It sounds and looks wonderful. I skimmed through it just to get an idea of the quality. I’ll watch the whole film on July 4 as I do annually. I also have the laserdisc extended version. I took a look at that. I’ll have to watch it at some point for the commentary.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Do you need a 4K player for the laser disc version?



No.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2022 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I've been wondering as to whether you need a 4K player for the laser disc version. Anyone know?

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2022 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

If he told us once, he told us seven times.......smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2022 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I've been wondering as to whether you need a 4K player for the laser disc version. Anyone know?


Nope, you do not need a 4K player for the laser disc or theatrical version. They are both on a standard Blu ray disc included in the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2022 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Do you need a laserdisc player for the 4K version?

And Joe, if you have a signed contract that has that clause, I should contact Grover Crisp immediately and let him know, since he doesn't seem to be aware of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2022 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Thank you, Eric, and everyone else for chiming in. I would love to get my hands on the laser transfer. The old to-VHS transfer still works but to see it in the restored style sounds fantastic.

 
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