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 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Hopefully ST isn't brickwalled. Please tell me we didn't wait a couple decades for brickwalling.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Hopefully ST isn't brickwalled. Please tell me we didn't wait a couple decades for brickwalling.

Well apparently it was Patricia Sullivan who did the mastering and not Erick Labson, so I think we are safe.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

What else has Patricia Sullivan worked on, out of curiosity?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Damnit, that's what's wrong with "Ghostbusters". It always sounded kind of flat and weird, too loud sometimes and dynamics missing. It says Erick Labson mastered it.

Man, no wonder. Hopefully some label like Intrada that doesn't do brickwalling, noise reduction, ot "the car test", can handle this and this timke do the whole thing. I'd even take a second disc of the songs.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

What else has Patricia Sullivan worked on, out of curiosity?

Yavar


That's a very long list...but most recently Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Essentially there are two things going on. First the dynamic range is compressed, so that the levels of the quietest passages in the music are raised to match the levels of the loudest sections. Then the levels of everything are raised to the maximum, which does result in clipping. The music no longer sounds tender and one can get ear fatigue. No, you can't fix these things at home.

Thanks for the reply Roger. It is a pity that this is happening to titles that very likely will never be revisited again. I can't understand the need to master "vintage" film music for home listening in this way.

The vast majority of new stuff (won't mention any names for fear of offending someone) all sounds like a wall of sound to me, with little or no nuance or shading, so lack of dynamics is the least of concerns there in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


What else has Patricia Sullivan worked on, out of curiosity?

Yavar


The Jurassic Park 20th Anniversary Edition for one

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Hopefully ST isn't brickwalled. Please tell me we didn't wait a couple decades for brickwalling.

Well apparently it was Patricia Sullivan who did the mastering and not Erick Labson, so I think we are safe.


So should we be good with Volcano too since Dan Hersch is the one involved there? Shame it seems I now have to start looking at the names behind the mastering table to determine if a certain release will be brickwalled or not.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


What else has Patricia Sullivan worked on, out of curiosity?

Yavar


The Jurassic Park 20th Anniversary Edition for one


Which, IMO, was a downgrade from the sound of the original release.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Essentially there are two things going on. First the dynamic range is compressed, so that the levels of the quietest passages in the music are raised to match the levels of the loudest sections. Then the levels of everything are raised to the maximum, which does result in clipping. The music no longer sounds tender and one can get ear fatigue. No, you can't fix these things at home.

Oh dear, I've just relistened to the Peggy Sue samples and now I'm hearing it. Sounds as if every instrument in the orchestra is playing every note at exactly the same volume throughout. I'm still glad to have the music, but what were they thinking?!?

Sorry to derail the thread again.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Whoever did Executive Decision messed with that, too.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Whoever did Executive Decision messed with that, too.

Oh boy, not good news, maybe we need to start another "list" thread for all the brick-wall remasters frown

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Whoever did Executive Decision messed with that, too.

Guess who...

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Whoever did Executive Decision messed with that, too.

Guess who...


I see he has won a Grammy for his work?

I wonder how Mr Goldsmith and Mr Barry would feel about this practice if they were still with us.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Hmm, Executive Decisison is one I never had the OST off, so I can't comment too much on the differences.

Personally, brick-walling is something I'm not in favor of, though a little compression is sometimes necessary.

I thought The Force Awakens sounded pretty good, so I have high hopes for Starship Troopers.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Hmm, Executive Decision is one I never had the OST off, so I can't comment too much on the differences.

Personally, brick-walling is something I'm not in favor of, though a little compression is sometimes necessary.

I thought The Force Awakens sounded pretty good, so I have high hopes for Starship Troopers.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Hmm, Executive Decisison is one I never had the OST off, so I can't comment too much on the differences.

Personally, brick-walling is something I'm not in favor of, though a little compression is sometimes necessary.



The problems in Executive Decision come out any time there's an burst of action, "blowing" the speakers (like in the fight music in "The Sleeper").

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)


What else has Patricia Sullivan worked on, out of curiosity?

Yavar


The Jurassic Park 20th Anniversary Edition for one


That was terrible. Even the 24bit version has no dynamic range.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   A. A. Ron   (Member)

I feel like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting that mastering engineers are just people doing a job. Many of them only brickwall because that's what the album producer wants done. Unfortunately, this sort of mastering has become something of an industry standard. That being said, I don't think I've heard an album from Patricia Sullivan that sounded bad. Does the 20th annv ed of Jurassic Park sound as good as the original album? No, but it doesn't sound bad.

IMO, of course.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2016 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Erick Labson also worked on two of my favorite Goldsmith releases from Varese, The Red Pony and Gathering of Eagles. Neither of those is brickwalled, so it happens sometimes but not all the time.

 
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