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Couldn’t they be combined as one track without a cross fade?
No, crossfades are used constantly. To not use them leads to audible ticks between cues.
I suggest listening to this album first before passing judgment on it. We're all very happy with it.
Neil
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I Call BS about audio ticks OR GET A BETTER EQUIPMENT 
"Crossfades are transitional Regions that span the end of one Region and the beginning of another. They can be used to smooth the sudden transition between two adjacent Regions, and help to prevent pops and clicks at Region boundaries."
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/using-fades-crossfades
Neil
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In this case, you are not complaining about crossfades, but combos.
Correct terminology matters.
Neil
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Nov 25, 2018 - 5:25 PM
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Jeyl
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I'm confused. Is there still some form of audible separation between these two separate pieces of music were combined into a single track, or does the end of one piece bleed into the opening of next one? For the sake of simplicity and my own sanity, I'm going to use my own terminology to see if we can figure out just how the presentation is handled.
Example of Separation: Goodbye Klingon/Goodbye Epsilon Nine/Pre-Launch from La-La Land's Star Trek: The Motion Picture 3-Disc soundtrack.
Three pieces of music on one track, but each piece is audibly separate from the other ones thanks to an inaudible gap. i.e. There is at least half of a second of no sound whatsoever before the next piece plays. This form of presentation would allow a user to edit these three pieces of music into their own separate tracks with relative ease.
Example of Bleeding: Battle For Peace Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country original Album*
Remember that moment when the torpedo is loaded and Kirk gets up, leans forward and with a raise of his first says "FIRE!"? In the film, the music building up to that moment has a clear definitive end to it, but the album presentation has the last few notes play over the next piece of music. Not only does this make recreating the moment impossible since music will still be playing loudly when you say "FIRE!", but separating these pieces is impossible because the end of one piece has the opening moments of the next one. If you were to separate the two and play the second piece first, you would have a very spontaneous opening as if you played the track in the middle.
So, which is it?
*Intrada's 2-Disc set of Star Trek VI presented 'Battle For Peace' with these two pieces separated from each other. I ranked this change as my #1 favorite thing that the expanded Star Trek score line brought when compared to their original albums. FIRE!
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Regardless of the decisions behind it, conjoining cues that are clearly not joined in the film is disappointing and frustrating, and prevents listeners from creating their own playlist with ease.
It's a financial consideration. It costs less to put out one cue than three short ones.
Neil
And it plays better too!
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Now you know why I call these audio terrorists:
Crossfade Crazies
Every Cue Separatists
Just plain pains in the ass!
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Nov 25, 2018 - 8:00 PM
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Tom Servo
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Regardless of the decisions behind it, conjoining cues that are clearly not joined in the film is disappointing and frustrating, and prevents listeners from creating their own playlist with ease.
I hear you. But there's no one true answer here, because there is no one true type of buyer of these albums. As a listener who rarely creates his own playlists, I'm frustrated by albums that continually stop and start. Short cues are sometimes required for a film, but when done well (and they're not always), crossfades can give an album flow as a listening experience apart from the film that a bunch of short cues with gaps between them simply can't (to me).
I know crossfades are anathema to some, but I endorse them. (Generally.)
Totally agree, I dislike a bunch of super short cues all separated out, I prefer a more musical flow between cues, so go ahead and crossfade.
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If crossfades die, then the terrorists win!
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I apologize for prolonging this discussion and veering it away from what's important and exciting, the release of David Arnold's score to The World Is Not Enough. It goes on sale on Tuesday and I hope you all enjoy it.
Neil
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