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 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

In regards to my previous question – in the alternate thread:

“Return To The Present” – states that it features new music – because an asterisk * appears right after the tracks name… which means that it is previously unreleased…

As it has been considered – that it could very well be a misprint.

I have discovered something to support this theory:

There are two cues amongst the extras which have never been heard / or released since 1980 – and the two cues which I am talking about are the cues which reprise – “Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini”.

Track 20: This is the alternate version of – “Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini”.
Track 21: This is the music box version of – “Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini”.

However; neither of these cues have an asterisk * next to the track name… while all the other cues amongst the extras – DO HAVE AN ASTERISK…

Now that I have discovered this misprint – I believe that it is fair to say – that – track #16 – “Return To The Present” – is indeed the version which is on the original album… and that we should ignore the asterisk.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Ordered immediately last night with Internal Affairs.

Many thanks La-La-Land.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Ordered this and also--thankfully!--the "Danny Elfman Batman Collection" big grin

Several of the audio samples sound close to what I've heard on the John Debney re-recording, but I was astonished at how different the opening track sounds with the different instruments coming to the forefront. The source music sample sounds intriguing as well. To top it off, the sound quality sounds fantastic!

Very eager to hear the entire album!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Ordered this and also--thankfully!--the "Danny Elfman Batman Collection"

I'm so glad you mentioned that! I'd been waiting for that to show up, waiting to order Somewhere In Time until that or a few other things might show up, actually.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Ordered this and also--thankfully!--the "Danny Elfman Batman Collection"

I'm so glad you mentioned that! I'd been waiting for that to show up, waiting to order Somewhere In Time until that or a few other things might show up, actually.


When MV said "early to mid July", I was thinking and hoping that it would arrive in the same factory shipment as the four new releases (or something similar). Very excited to receive both!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

In a way, I've been waiting some 40 years for this, not knowing that I could finally get more than just an LP back in 1980. (Does that make sense?)

Yes; that makes sense.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

In the book Bid Time Return - our two leads have in common music of Mahler, who very few of that era seemed to know.
in the film, Chris reeve is in our time and he takes out and lp of the Mahler 10th symphony ( wynn Morris on Phillips classical). You can clearly see the cover. Instead, the music of rachmaninoff comes out of his stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2021 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Steven Lloyd   (Member)

In the book Bid Time Return - our two leads have in common music of Mahler, who very few of that era seemed to know.

I don't know the Mahler symphony originally intended (and, I see, even specified by author Matheson), but Barry was dramatically right to suggest the Rachmaninoff piece in its place. Even if sharp-eyed Joe could spot a resulting onscreen gaffe!

But despite my feeling that the film itself fell short of its potential, its music absolutely expresses what I wish the movie had been. Barry's score is both among his finest and my favorites -- and this picture also introduced me to the lovely "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini," which works beautifully well in film context to bind those characters together. (Not that it was the reason I went straight from the theatre to buy the album early in 1981.) However, the use of the same Rachmaninoff piece (using even more of its variations than are heard in SOMEWHERE IN TIME) is one reason for my warm reaction to the James Mason/Moira Shearer segment of THE STORY OF THREE LOVES (1953), which I never saw until 2013. (I remain grateful that FSM included that gem of a score in their Miklos Rozsa Treasury box.)

By the way, I confirm my having already ordered the SOMEWHERE IN TIME expansion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Interesting to see how long 5000 copies last given the widespread affection for this score beyond the film score fan community.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Despite having bought the original release 4 times (incl. vinyl and Ultimate Master Gold disc releases), plus the Debney/RSNO 1998 re-recording ... plus numerous recordings of the main theme/suite ... I am interested in this latest release.

But I admit to being nervous about just how much it will cost. frown I see that La-La's own site states: NOTE TO INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS: Customer is responsible for any new and/or additional fees imposed by their territory upon receiving their parcel. So import VAT and handling charge could make it expensive.

Obviously others have taken a chance and accepted the risk of unforeseen additional costs but given I heard hardly anything new in the samples I may have to conclude this one is beyond my spending limit. Of course, as and when a UK retailer offers it for sale I can consider that but this is unlikely to offer a saving ... just certainty.

I would not be buying it for the Rachmaninov piece ... I have multiple recordings of the complete work (and, as much as I love that XVIII variation, I enjoy his four piano concerti more than the complete Rhapsody).

It's a cheek to ask but should any UK buyer care to advise what additional costs are incurred these days on sourcing a single or 2 CDs from the US I'd be grateful for the information.
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It's a cheek to ask but should any UK buyer care to advise what additional costs are incurred these days on sourcing a single or 2 CDs from the US I'd be grateful for the information.
Mitch


Mitch, none of the last few orders I've had from La-La-Land and Intrada got kidnapped for ransom by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.

Even the disaster box set came through clean.

When my imports have been kidnapped for ransom though, the ransom demand is for a percentage of the package value plus £8 processing fee.

I'm afraid I forget the percentage, but the £8 is the biggest part of it.

If you're gonna get nobbled, get nobbled on a big order so there's only one £8, not £8 on every single disc.

Here's the detail: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2021 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

It's a cheek to ask but should any UK buyer care to advise what additional costs are incurred these days on sourcing a single or 2 CDs from the US I'd be grateful for the information.
Mitch


Mitch, none of the last few orders I've had from La-La-Land and Intrada got kidnapped for ransom by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.

Even the disaster box set came through clean.

When my imports have been kidnapped for ransom though, the ransom demand is for a percentage of the package value plus £8 processing fee.

I'm afraid I forget the percentage, but the £8 is the biggest part of it.

If you're gonna get nobbled, get nobbled on a big order so there's only one £8, not £8 on every single disc.

Here's the detail: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

Cheers


Thanks, Stephen, I take the point about spreading the handling charge. I'm afraid this has become woods and trees for me, having read so many articles, including the HMRC webpage you linked, about the changes brought in (supposedly from 01 Jan).

As an example of my confusion: it clearly states in that webpage that purchases under GBP135.00 (some exceptions) will not attract any import VAT, etc., added to which we know it is HMRC's requirement for all non-UK sellers to register and declare UK VAT on any sales (up to this limit) into the UK. I've not seen/heard that this requirement - bonkers as it is - has been withdrawn and yet the La La webpage would indicate that it is not responsible for such local (UK) taxes ... these are up to the buyer. Consignment value in excess of GBP135.00 is treated differently.

Another HMRC webpage - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021#goods-located-outside-the-uk-at-the-point-of-sale :Direct sellers - businesses making sales direct to GB customers rather than via an OMP
Businesses making sales of goods not exceeding £135 in value (per consignment) to customers in the UK, where the goods are outside the UK at the point of sale, will become liable to register and account for VAT on those sales. ...


So I suppose I'm wary that the parcel is stopped by Border Force as not being properly adorned (Form CN22 or CN23) and a de-minimis value of GBP135 is applied so that VAT is GBP27 ... plus handling charge ... or goods are returned/impounded ... whilst La La claim it's not their problem.

I have a history of looking at the downside ... if I can accept that then any better outcome is a win ... for me! smile

Thanks again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Shipping today, so not too long to wait now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

In the book Bid Time Return - our two leads have in common music of Mahler, who very few of that era seemed to know.
in the film, Chris reeve is in our time and he takes out and lp of the Mahler 10th symphony ( wynn Morris on Phillips classical). You can clearly see the cover. Instead, the music of rachmaninoff comes out of his stereo.


I never picked up on this. So interesting! It would of course be a far more unusual connection if the characters shared a taste for Mahler, given Rachmaninoff’s well deserved popularity. I guess the filmmakers made the late switch (after filming the scene you mention) either for the melodic appeal of the Rhapsody, or to mesh better with Barry’s score. If the latter, though, I think a case could be made that Barry’s sound had plenty in common with both composers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

the package value plus £8 processing fee.


Ok f the seller is doing the collecting them you shouldn't pay the £ 8
That was always down.as. - ' paid on your behalf for presenting the packet on your behalf' or similar . So they're not doing it any more.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)


I never picked up on this. So interesting! It would of course be a far more unusual connection if the characters shared a taste for Mahler, given Rachmaninoff’s well deserved popularity. I guess the filmmakers made the late switch (after filming the scene you mention) either for the melodic appeal of the Rhapsody, or to mesh better with Barry’s score. If the latter, though, I think a case could be made that Barry’s sound had plenty in common with both composers.


It was Barry who suggested the film use Rachmaninoff instead of Mahler, given the shorter and more memorable melodic lines of the Rhapsody.

Using Mahler would've made the timings of the scenes much longer, not to mention it would've darkened the romance between the main characters.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   Maestro Sartori   (Member)

Anyone get their shipping notice yet? I haven't seen one yet, but I imagine the orders are immense for this wonderful item from the busy and great folks at LLL!

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Anyone get their shipping notice yet? I haven't seen one yet, but I imagine the orders are immense for this wonderful item from the busy and great folks at LLL!

Waiting for the manufacturer to send them to us. Hopefully today. If not Thursday for sure. They are backed up

Mv

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Maestro Sartori   (Member)

Anyone get their shipping notice yet? I haven't seen one yet, but I imagine the orders are immense for this wonderful item from the busy and great folks at LLL!

Waiting for the manufacturer to send them to us. Hopefully today. If not Thursday for sure. They are backed up

Mv


Thanks for the update MV. I know you guys work tirelessly to provide great music. I appreciate it a lot!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Thursday,July 22 . 4:17 PM in Burbank,Ca. No update on shipping yet.

 
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