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 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well....just had a listen...I think...as with most of those kind of scores nowadays..( Ethnical....spherish kind of more soundscapes than compositions)..they all more or less work within the movies and serve their purpose.
This one will do so as well.One might ask..is that all there is to a score ? Some will say YES this is the essence of filmscoring.Some will say NO...
I´m inbetween. For me the discussion shouldn´t always be about the composer but about the score.
So wether someone likes one or another composer doesn´t matter.
But what I can say ( in regards of my personal taste ) is, that these kind of sounds are not inovative or special or "magical" anymore. We heard them..experienced them a thousand times now.So for me most of the soundscapes in movies nowadys and in recent years are interchangable.There are exceptions of course.
Having arabic soundscapes because its a picture with lots of Sand in it...is very uninspired and probably a quick thought if not just a shortcut for me.

But ..as I said..it´ll work.Just as those RAMTAMTAMS ...BRAAAM...AIAIAIAIAI Chorals etc.work.If you don´t wanna go, where no man / woman has gone before.And you gotta give ZIMMER ( if we talk briefly about the composer ) credit for being probably one of the most influental and groundbreaking composer of the last century.So he did it in his lifetime.Now he does it because its "easy" for him...maybe

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

This is amazing. There is even organ used in it.



It's all down to the orchestration, of course, because it's really rather simplistic and predictable. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing… Bernard Herrmann did wonders with just block chords and arpeggios.

The only orchestrator cited on IMDb lists Allyn Ferguson as "additional orchestrator". Who was lead? Marty Paich?

And as both are cited for "additional music" I can only wonder what of and how much?

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

The only orchestrator cited on IMDb cites Allyn Ferguson as "additional orchestrator". Who was lead? Marty Paich?


That was my take on it.
At least that's how I understood what was said in the liner notes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 2:15 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Yes TOTOs score is fantastic and fits like a glove!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Yes TOTOs score is fantastic and fits like a glove!

And still it was received as well as Zimmer‘s tracks back then. Coincidence?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)






After the initial swoop, you immediately enter the world of Shostakovich’s 11th symphony. When his music is used/adapted/referenced/stolen, sometimes it’s used in a cool way, and sometimes it isn’t. I can’t figure out how or why; I just know that it is.

Use by Hisaishi, Frankel, Mansell, it’s cool. Used by Horner and Conti, I’m afraid it isn’t.

Used by Toto in this instance, it’s cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes TOTOs score is fantastic and fits like a glove!

And still it was received as well as Zimmer‘s tracks back then. Coincidence?
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Haha...yes...I remember Toto's DUNE score was reviled by many critics and film score fans back in the day.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Dampfwalze   (Member)

This sounds so epic with african and arabian influences, so sophisticated, but nothing that stays in my memory.
Hope there will be some melodic themes in the rest of the score that will give my simple mind something to hum after leaving the cinema.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Wouldn't it be funny if Zimmer himself logged on to confront the naysayers?
It would be a great chance to turn him back towards the good side of The Force--it's never too late.

Of course, it's all academic if he was just following the director's edict.
(In which case... get Villenueve in here! big grin)



“Dunkirk” was tense because of the story, the editing, and the cinematography. Adding a grating ticking noise and screeching sounds to amplify the tension is just overly-obvious and literal.

These tracks from “Dune” are equally literal.

In contrast, the more melodic parts of “The Rock” or “Broken Arrow” have an almost emotionally poetic quality to them because the music isn’t mirroring the look and tone of the scene but the emotional core.


Dunkirk is one of the worst scores of all time, you point out why, the obviousness of the literal quality of it. It also commits a serious sin, it puts itself in front of the film, tapping you on the shoulder throughout, telling you;

"hey, I am here to make you feel the tension! - You are tense and full of anxiety in this war film, right? I know you are."

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

This sounds so epic with african and arabian influences, so sophisticated, but nothing that stays in my memory.
Hope there will be some melodic themes in the rest of the score that will give my simple mind something to hum after leaving the cinema.


The arabian and african influences are to very very trite now, these things have been used and used and used and used and used

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Dampfwalze   (Member)


The arabian and african influences are to very very trite now, these things have been used and used and used and used and used


True.
And with a science fiction movie it's not a natural connection. For example Williams didn't use african rhythms for Tattoine, or Norwegian folc music for Hoth.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


The arabian and african influences are to very very trite now, these things have been used and used and used and used and used


True.
And with a science fiction movie it's not a natural connection. For example Williams didn't use african rhythms for Tattoine, or Norwegian folc music for Hoth.


Another great point!

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If you have no substance, don't get in the conservation. You are posting like this is twitter. It isn't.


Well, see, that's the thing.
It's not your conversation.


...it wasn't on page 1. We are not on page 1 anymore. Anyway, whatever. Keep up with your twitter posts.

Thank you. I will.


Mephariel is having a conversation with himself.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

The arabian and african influences are to very very trite now, these things have been used and used and used and used and used

The Fremen are obviously based on desert people from Earth (arabians, etc) and I don't think it is a problem to use music that come from this lands, but yes, this is now overused to the point of being ridiculous.

Plus, Greame Revell did it on the Dune miniseries, so it is not new even in the Dune universe...

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

(There is NO passage in the book that suggests the culture of Arrakis is rooted or even comparable to past-or-present-day Arabic culture.)

Um. Are you trolling?

Herbert intentionally based the Fremen on modern and historical Arabs. They are literally described as distant descendants of the Sunnis. And at least in the trailer they knew that well enough to replace the word "jihad" with "crusade". (Heh, I just found an article in Al Jazeera where THEY feel the change is denigrating and detracts from Arab and Islamic representation in the story. Missed again, Hollywood!)

So while Zimmer doesn't seem to be making an especially creative choice, it's a choice with a solid cultural basis.

Now what music is he going to write for Gurney? THAT'S the question.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Um. Are you trolling?

Look at his post history.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)


And with a science fiction movie it's not a natural connection. For example Williams didn't use african rhythms for Tattoine, or Norwegian folc music for Hoth.


I don't know, but the Sand People cue definitely has a very distinct tribal sound that is influenced or inspired by middle-eastern or african sounds and in The Phantom Menace some of the Mos Espa music has some of that influence going on as well. You are right about Hoth though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It is pretty much sound files cut and paste on the computer, it is like "DJ's" that cut and paste MP3 files and stand in front of the crowd and wave their arms

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2021 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Film Score Executive: "So you're saying that Dune the movie, a non person, released two tracks from it's own score?"

Film Score Thread Pitcher: "That's what I'm going with."

 
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