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 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

There’s always something new that generates interest......

His 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE and CLOVERFIELD PARADOX scores were terrific....

I think they are his strongest to be honest, but he's done other great stuff too.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Two brand new, high profile, highly anticipated films vs a solo disc extraction from a perviously available (and sold out) multi disc set.

I don't think it's age so much as most people here probably already own the scores and have talked them up plenty in the past already.

OTOH, the two new films have passionate detractors of the composer and his work, and nothing animates a body to express itself like hatred.

This is accurate. This just reminded me I need to give To Kill A Mockingbird another listen. smile

Greg Espinoza

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

New films are always going to get more buzz than old films, even if the old films are way better.

That said, I met a guy who described himself as a James Bond aficionado who only watched Bond films from Goldeneye onwards. He told me he tried watching From Russia With Love once and found it boring, so never watched any of the older Bond films.

There are people out there now who will describe themselves as film music experts who have never heard To Kill A Mockingbird and probably never will.

Some of them will think anything less kinetic than a super-hero movie score is boring.

I don't understand how someone can think a Transformers films is better than, say, Vertigo, but the number that do can probably be counted in their millions.

Each new generation baffles the previous one.


Spot On, Mr. Woolston. I'm 61 now and I try to keep broadening myself in my viewing and listening. I just adore Turner Classic Movies and watch more stuff there lately than anywhere else. I just watched an old 1976 western called The Winds Of Autumn, with a beautiful score by Jaime Mendoza-Nava. I'd buy that in a heartbeat if it was available.

Greg Espinoza

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

While it's true film and film music interest tends to break down along generational lines, I tend to like old and new films and the music of both - though I am far from being a fan of everything.

As a fan of the works of Elmer Bernstein, I am (of course) an admirer of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD which may be his finest score.

Whenever I am frustrated at the lack of attention paid to great film music of the past, I just tell myself to start posting about those classics more frequently - or start my own thread about it. I need to be more active in that regard.

Just for fun, I'll relate how I came to discover Bernstein's TKAM...

Back when libraries had extensive collections of record albums to borrow, a local branch suddenly had a windfall of Varese Sarabande and Citadel label soundtracks from which I immediately grabbed at least a dozen. One of the titles in the pile was TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (Citadel's re-issue of the Ava version). Now I knew and liked Bernstein's work but, for whatever reason, I had neither seen the film nor heard its soundtrack. All it took was the opening track and I was floored by this music. It gave me chills. Eventually the film caught up with me and I was impressed all over again. But Bernstein's music had power even divorced from its inspiration.

In the future I will try to keep the views and comments coming.

For what it's worth Joan, I always pay attention to your posts as you are among the best we have on the board and your enthusiasm is much appreciated.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Shouldn't the subject be "Too YOUNG For The FSM Board?".
This is a board that is populated mostly by people who have never once heard a single golden age score in an actual cinema.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey Greg, do give TKM another spin. I should also do this.

JSDouglas, I'm very touched. Thank you for your kind words.

Whenever I am frustrated at the lack of attention paid to great film music of the past, I just tell myself to start posting about those classics more frequently - or start my own thread about it. I need to be more active in that

GOOD idea! I too should do this. I know I've done a few in the past about TKM, Lonely Are the Brave and a few others, but it has been a long time. We'll have to accept the fact that we won't get 200,000 plus views. I did do a post on The Big Country and was amazed at how many people chimed in. I doubt if any of them were "youngers."

Too Young for the Board? Basil, I doubt that there will ever be an age requirement.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Your intentions are good,but the labels will not return to the older scores like they used to unless we start buying them. It's the jingling of money coming in that will wake them up. An emphasis should also be placed on scores that are premiere releases on CD.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

NO TIME FOR FSM and its sequel, TOO OLD FOR FSM, scored by Hans Zimmer.

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   King Solium   (Member)

We're not old we're ancient!

 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

this is another wonderfull score by Elmer Bernstein
My Left Foot [Original Soundtrack]

us old people in walkers should know a good thing.

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Looks like some of us are just TOO OLD for this FSM Board. Statistics don’t lie, and here is the proof.

In the last three days, we have had two topics about one of the most ICONIC, gorgeous, heart-rendering scores ever composed. That score is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD by Elmer Bernstein. I think any member who thinks he or she is knowledgeable about film scores should “eventually” be cognizant of this score. (I say “eventually” for those who are really young and may actually someday journey back in time to hear renowned, celebrated scores.)

One TKM thread had 2, 027 views and one had 2,942 views. Sigh.

Now compare those numbers with two Zimmer threads in the last few days.

Dune topic had 21, 638 views.

No Time To Die had 266,110 views. I can’t believe it had that many views. (Maybe people just enjoyed the blood-letting on that topic.)

So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?

(Not me. I’m going to stick around to discover undiscovered past, present and future scores and to try to stamp out film score illiteracy, or I could keep hitting “view” on a topic 100,000 times.wink)

Nah, old folks like me ( about to turn 60 ), will follow a thread and comment. Mockingbird has had a decent response, but could be better.

The Dune & Bond threads are mainly younger know-it-all whippersnappers whining and moaning like babies big grin

Old codgers like us actually listen to music, enjoy it , sometimes not, and will post a few comments. These younger drama queens go on and on, tirelessly, constantly bullying others and yelling as often as possible as they try to make sure you know they're the smartest people around.

I've got better things to do roll eyes

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I would imagine that our parents rolled their eyes at us, just as their parents rolled their eyes at them.
And on and on it goes...

Hey! Would that be a "Circle Of Life" kind of thing?

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

My body may be getting old(er) but my mind thinks it's still a teenager!

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

My body may be getting old(er) but my mind thinks it's still a teenager!


 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

I am too old for anything.

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Louis Latzer   (Member)

Hard to catch up after a couple of days.

Count me in as one of the "old farts" who still feel young. (Did Ray Bradbury address this at some point? Do the youngsters know who Ray Bradbury is?)

As far as Zimmer bashing, blame the directors not Hans. He can compose a good, even a great score by "our" standards. But he's a professional, and he gives the directors what they want. So diss his Nolan scores all you want, but blame Nolan.

I saw NO TIME TO DIE two days ago, and I was struck by how "Bond-y" it sounded. And not just the interpolated quotes. Just to give credit where due. I need to listen to the score on its own now, but it certainly was not the disappointment that GOLDENEYE was. (And even that had some very nice quiet sections. It just didn't do very well on the action front, for me.)

For anyone who hasn't tried scores older than they are, do yourself a favor and look up some of the re-recordings from the silent age. And new scores for silents. Carl Davis and Robert Israel have done some outstanding work. And Frank Strobel's re-recordings of METROPOLIS and others (including some Prokofievs that suffered from poor recording technology) are always worth a listen.

So consider this 70+ reader in for the long haul. I just don't post all that often. Just too many books left to read.

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

For the most part the labels may have counted us out,but we are alive and kicking. Clint Eastwood is 91 and in his field of endeavor ,he is alive and kicking. More power to us older folks who are young at heart.

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

(Did Ray Bradbury address this at some point? Do the youngsters know who Ray Bradbury is?)

Julia's dad.( one for the Brits)smile

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I got the score to John Cameron's Kes today. Never seen the film, but I'll either play that tomorrow or Zimmer's No Time To Die or Dune.

Hey George, thank you for resurrecting the Kes thread. In the manner, I suppose, of a member of The Old Guard I read the entire thread first in order to give context/perspective to what turned out to be your announcement of having heard the soundtrack for the first time. It was a fun read all the way through, especially since I've reached the age of increasingly forgetting half the stuff I've written at this old building-and-loan public square. roll eyes

 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

There is intelligent life out there in the film music universe. The key, of course, is getting it to communicate with us.
Many years ago, a "new" voice appeared on this message board pronouncing that he wasn't interested in any score written before 1980 (presumably, the year of his birth). I was grateful he said that because he let me know his voice was one I need never take seriously. To this day, I do not remember this person, and it's possible his tune has changed although I doubt he has ever forgiven - or will ever forgive - my response about never needing to take him seriously.

I do hope, however, that he has discovered that a lot of great film music was written before his birth, most of it better than any written since his birth.

"To Kill A Mockingbird" remains a landmark film score that puts most of what is being written today -- and everything Mir. Zimmer has ever written -- to shame.

It is my favorite Bernstein score, bar none, and one of my favorite of all time.

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