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 Posted:   Jun 20, 2024 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Clips are amazing! Here comes the score of the year.
And let's not forget, this is only Part 1. Part 2 is coming in August.


And Parts 3 and 4 next year.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Clips are amazing! Here comes the score of the year.
And let's not forget, this is only Part 1. Part 2 is coming in August.


And Parts 3 and 4 next year.


You may be getting ahead of your skis. The reviews of Part 1 are devastatingly bad. Part 2 is a done deal, but I wouldn't count on 3 and 4.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Clips are amazing! Here comes the score of the year.
And let's not forget, this is only Part 1. Part 2 is coming in August.


And Parts 3 and 4 next year.


You may be getting ahead of your skis. The reviews of Part 1 are devastatingly bad. Part 2 is a done deal, but I wouldn't count on 3 and 4.


Reviews don't matter - the real test is whether the older audience segment will go to the cinema.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

fuck the reviews!


Are people that lazy or incompetent to made up their own minds? Plus part 3 is already in production.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

fuck the reviews!

Are people that lazy or incompetent to made up their own minds?


Lazy? Incompetent? Nah.

Is my time too valuable to me to waste it on something unworthy? Yep.

Why the knee-jerk assumption that this is great and the people who’ve actually seen it know nothing? I remain open-minded, but it's not looking positive…

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

You may be getting ahead of your skis. The reviews of Part 1 are devastatingly bad. Part 2 is a done deal, but I wouldn't count on 3 and 4.

I didn't expect anything else from probably the same critics who praise The Acolyte... Costner is an old fashioned director - thank God! - so this movie with its old fashioned values and morals won't chime in with most younger reviewers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

fuck the reviews!

Are people that lazy or incompetent to made up their own minds?


Lazy? Incompetent? Nah.

Is my time too valuable to me to waste it on something unworthy? Yep.

Why the knee-jerk assumption that this is great and the critics are idiots? I remain open-minded, but it's not looking great…


It certainly would be wrong to reduce all critics to be idiots because they dislike something one likes.

But the time audiences are influenced by reviews is over.

And it always has been wise to look at the usual preference of critics (remember Pauline Kael?), the situation in which reviews are written, and the zeitgeist publications have to deal with in order to get clicks.

As for Costner himself, he has been a punching bag for reviewers at least since Waterworld. Open Range got rather good reviews, but that film was kind of regarded as "his acceptance that he is not a leading man anymore, and (darling of critics) Robert Duvall as the main character is terrific."

To have Costner make a partly self-financed western saga already paints him as the perfect target again, especially with the projection that "his diva behavior killed Yellowstone for this!"

Then, the film was screened at Cannes, and during any film festival reviewers are particularly stressed out, and they certainly don't have the patience for a three hour western by Kevin Costner. It was easy to pan it for being long and episodic. Although one has to say that there were some critics which gave HORIZON good reviews. Mainly European critics, by the way.

In the end, HORIZON will definitely not be one of the kids. It is a genre which is mostly remembered by adults and older ones at that. So those segments are more realistically those who will like it. Others won't.

But quite frankly, I wouldn't love a teen comedy either anymore. I am almost 55 years old.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

But the time audiences are influenced by reviews is over.

On this, we agree. Though there have been scattered occasions where championing by critics has made, if not a hit, a reasonable box office win for a beloved movie.

It's silly to suggest all critics are in lockstep, anyway. That's one reason I always bristle when people rail against "the critics."

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

This fan of both Mean Girls and Open Range (actually I love Dances With Wolves too, but like Open Range most of his films) is looking forward to seeing this with an open mind… wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Yes, people have to remember that the first film will be introduction to many different story lines that will be continued in the next three films… hopefully. Congratulations ,Yavar for hitting a bullseye with the Varese releases. You made my day.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks! My day is made too, but why give me the credit? smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Thanks! My day is made too, but why give me the credit? smile

Of course, credit must go first to Varese for releasing 2 melodic symphonic scores and you for being in the know of what is possible for them to release.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I do my best to keep track, but I don't know for sure. I was surprised when Intrada was able to release expanded editions of Matinee and Hollow Man, for example. I have no idea whether Varese controls The 13th Warrior to be honest, or whether Disney ownership of it means that Intrada could expand it some day like they did with Iron Will by Joel McNeely...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2024 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I do my best to keep track, but I don't know for sure. I was surprised when Intrada was able to release expanded editions of Matinee and Hollow Man, for example. I have no idea whether Varese controls The 13th Warrior to be honest, or whether Disney ownership of it means that Intrada could expand it some day like they did with Iron Will by Joel McNeely...

Yavar
THE THIRTEENTH WARRIOR is a definite Goldsmith expanded score I want. As you know I like my scores big and melodic . Comedy or semi-comedy is not usually my cup of tea. One score that I love that would fit into that description is not available anywhere unfortunately… Bill Conti’s BABY BOOM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2024 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

But the time audiences are influenced by reviews is over.

On this, we agree. Though there have been scattered occasions where championing by critics has made, if not a hit, a reasonable box office win for a beloved movie.

It's silly to suggest all critics are in lockstep, anyway. That's one reason I always bristle when people rail against "the critics."


Of course, they are not and cannot be.

But full disclosure, I worked as a film critic during the 90‘s, and there is a certain pack mentality, and after screenings we did gather and talked, and it was very often about a consensus to like or dislike something. Few dared to follow their own taste.

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2024 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

I really wanted to love John Debney's score for it... at times it's sweeping, orchestral, and old fashioned (which probably fits the film well; I haven't seen it yet). And at other times it meanders aimlessly around with drumbeats, synths, and Horner-style hits of native flutes. The album closes with one of the most lethargic renditions of 'Amazing Grace' ever heard in a film.

Expectation-wise I was really hoping for something like 'Texas Rising', which Debney did with Bruce Broughton and had a fantastic main theme reminiscent of Broughton's iconic western themes in 'Silverado' and 'Tombstone'. While there are 8 or 9 standout tracks (Main Title, Hayes Entrance, Horizon, Persistent Marigold, Mrs Riordan Takes a Walk to name a few) overall Part 1 of Horizon left me wanting to hear its themes more.

Maybe this isn't fair since I haven't seen the film and it might take a few more listens to grow on me, but I think there's a good 45 minute album somewhere in the 1 hour, 36 minute release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2024 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I have enjoyed plenty of John Debney scores, but I always feel there is (and will be) a Painting By Numbers feel to them.
He is a Magpie Composer of other film composers' works and styles.
But undoubtedly skilled in the orchestra.
I haven't heard this one yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2024 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I have enjoyed plenty of John Debney scores, but I always feel there is (and will be) a Painting By Numbers feel to them.
He is a Magpie Composer of other film composers' works and styles.
But undoubtedly skilled in the orchestra.
I haven't heard this one yet.


I‘m not a Debney fan either - but I hope HORIZON will turn that around.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2024 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

According to Debney's answer on his FB page, a physical CD "will happen". No more info.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2024 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Disney: Gonna end the movie club, eliminate DVD's and Blu-ray's in Australia and New Zealand.

Disney: Gonna release a physical media CD.

Maybe not in the land down under or NZ.

 
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