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I was hoping this new release might possibly include those two cues.
It's already 79:05, so I'm kind of relieved I didn't have to worry about this. I am curious though as this is the first I've heard of two extra cues being available. There's no mention of this at Soundtrack Collector or Discogs and I've seen no identification of these two cues here. If someone wants to send me unedited, full side recordings of this LP I'd be happy to identify the music and put this mystery to rest.
Neil
From what I remember reading at the time, the two extra tracks were simply what constitutes track 37 on the Quartet release, "Darnley Is Drugged" and "Mary's Theme," the latter being a direct replay of Side 2, track 1 ("Mary's Theme"). Supposedly "Darnley Is Drugged" would have been in stereo.
(There is a rather nice stereo recording of "Darnley Is Drugged" -- titled "Mary and Darnley" -- on the Silva Screen "The Lion In Winter" 2001 release.)
The only other time I recall this sort of "error" happening was on the British Silver Screen LP rerelease of the 1961 MGM Records LP recording of "El Cid." An additional track was added to the end of Side 1.
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I was hoping this new release might possibly include those two cues.
It's already 79:05, so I'm kind of relieved I didn't have to worry about this. I am curious though as this is the first I've heard of two extra cues being available. There's no mention of this at Soundtrack Collector or Discogs and I've seen no identification of these two cues here. If someone wants to send me unedited, full side recordings of this LP I'd be happy to identify the music and put this mystery to rest.
Neil
Just so all readers are clear, the two cues we're talking about, that were on some pressings of the Australian LP, are on the mono complete score.
They're not missing from this release.
It's the "Darnley Is Drugged / Mary's Theme" track.
I'm now wondering whether I was right to call that two cues or just one.
Anyway, it's just that this track was on some pressings of the Australian LP, and in stereo.
The mystery is how.
Also, everyone, please remember the origin of this conversation comes from way before Quartet's release of the complete score, and probably before the DVD isolated score track, when the question was whether this extra music was useable, even if just as a vinyl rip, as a way to expand the album program on CD.
I believe this music was unlisted on that LP, and at the end of Side 2, after the official program ends, which seems to indicate an inclusion by error rather than by design.
A pressing fault.
Almost as if this music was accidentally left on the tape used to cut the LP.
And yet, surely it can't be on the album master, because if it was, surely both Intrada and Quartet would have picked it up.
So, mystery.
Now, confession: I don't personally own the Australian LP as it is very rare, but of course several of my Barry collecting friends do, and I have had a vinyl rip of this extra music for years, since long before the first release of the DVD isolated score track.
I'm happy to share it with you Neil, but the track is identifed above.
And my vinyl rip of it, which was given to me by one of those collectors, is in stereo, but clipped at the end.
Cheers
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I believe this music was unlisted on that LP, and at the end of Side 2, after the official program ends, which seems to indicate an inclusion by error rather than by design.
A pressing fault.
Almost as if this music was accidentally left on the tape used to cut the LP.
And yet, surely it can't be on the album master, because if it was, surely both Intrada and Quartet would have picked it up.
The album master itself may have been derived from a "previous master" which contained the extra track. Perhaps the extra track was being considered as the opening track of Side 2, before Barry decided he wanted "Mary's Theme" to appear on its own as track 1 of Side 2.
Usually the true album master was vaulted away as a safety, and sub-masters were sent to various pressing plants around the world to create regionally distributed LPs. Somehow the "previous master" ended up in Australia.
The track listing on the Australian LP covers and labels were identical to pressings in America or the U.K. -- which explains why there is no mention of it on Discogs.
BTW, the stereo mixes on the Intrada and Quartet releases are quite different. So both are valuable in their own ways.
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I was hoping this new release might possibly include those two cues.
It's already 79:05, so I'm kind of relieved I didn't have to worry about this. I am curious though as this is the first I've heard of two extra cues being available. There's no mention of this at Soundtrack Collector or Discogs and I've seen no identification of these two cues here. If someone wants to send me unedited, full side recordings of this LP I'd be happy to identify the music and put this mystery to rest.
Neil
Hi Neil
I have the album in question. The same original Decca catalogue #DL79186 but with an MCA Records label. At the time I purchased it, (gee back in the late eighties I think?) I heard that it was in fact a New Zealand pressing, though i could be wrong. There is no production info on the sleeve or the LP label. I have ripped the track in question but not the whole album as it was available on CD. I can send you a link for the track if you wish.
Steve.
In '72 all Decca, Kapp and Uni Records labels on the discs carried the inscription, "Manufactured By M.C.A. Records", and had at the bottom of the back cover, "M.C.A. Records, Inc." but by then nobody knew that there would be changes in the wind, because by the end of the year all three labels were dropped, and the very last release by Decca was the 45 R.P.M. single Dobie Gray's "Drift Away" (though there was already a M.C.A. Records division in the U.K.), and they continued to sell leftover inventory from all three now defunct labels in '74.
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Delivery of my Quartet and LLL releases ordered last month through Intrada all got delayed by their waiting for the Delerue classical music disc, so I received them this week and have only listened to MARY so far. But wow -- I saw this picture twice in 1972 bthough not again since; and while I picked up the DVD 11 years ago, I still haven't watched it (thanks to my wife's lower interest). However, this score is more beautiful and powerful than I remember from only the LP program for decades. I especially appreciate the forgotten extra appearances of my beloved "Journey to England" theme. It's terrific to renew my reacquainance with this full score. I've got to enjoy this again soon!
This thread's other mentions of the Australian reissue LP reminded me that I bought a vinyl reissue of SCOTS in the 1980s, after a friend at a retail store told me it was a foreign pressing -- so I bought a spare for the expected quality. I dug it out yesterday, and what do you know? I had forgotten this completely, but it must be the unmarked Australian edition for its sporting seven track listings, but eight bands on Side 2.
But for trivia, yet another 20th-Century '80s LP reissue (after MARY, QUEEN OF SCOTS and the early '70s British EL CID) with a surprise mystery cue was a reported Australian edition of Morricone's UNA BREVE STAGIONE (1969). That's a particularly gorgeous score which I had only in mono, so I took the plunge for a stereo reissue. Same jacket design, front and rear, as the Italian original; yet while the jacket declared "Stereo," the album was in fact mono... but with an unlisted, extra cue at the end of Side 2!
Were outfits in Australia just messing around with us?
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This thread's other mentions of the Australian reissue LP reminded me that I bought a vinyl reissue of SCOTS in the 1980s, after a friend at a retail store told me it was a foreign pressing -- so I bought a spare for the expected quality. I dug it out yesterday, and what do you know? I had forgotten this completely, but it must be the unmarked Australian edition for its sporting seven track listings, but eight bands on Side 2.
So can you confirm that band 8 is indeed "Darnley Drugged / Mary's Theme"?
And is it in true stereo?
FYI, according to Jon Burlingame, "Death or Exile?" is the title of the track listed on the LP as "Journey to England."
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Were outfits in Australia just messing around with us?
Just wait till we unearth the Mad Max 2 masters! 
I've WONDERED what's been taking you folks so long with that!
So can you confirm that band 8 is indeed "Darnley Drugged / Mary's Theme"?
And is it in true stereo?
Side 2, Band 8 of the reissue LP is "Darnley Is Drugged / Mary's Theme" (and not clipped at the end, as was the rip provided to Stephen Woolston by his friend). Unfortunately, I cannot confirm the cue being stereo, as I also discovered my long-neglected turntable feeding a loud hum in one channel to my receiver.
Otherwise, access to this full score at last is a real revelation to me. I had not listened to the album in a very long time (although I bought Intrada's CD when issued), but I now have been reminded how I was disappointed that it felt padded with repeats of "Mary's Theme," even opening and closing the album despite "Vivre et Mourir" (one of Barry's most gorgeous melodies ever, I feel) being the film's main and end title. There is now so much great material I had forgotten completely.
With the DVD in hand, I won't put it off any longer while waiting for my wife to get in the mood for it. I need to see the film again for this music's dramatic context.
What a coincidence how practically at the same time, we're granted expanded releases of the only two Oscar nominations which Barry ever lost: MARY and CHAPLIN.
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If the listings for the Australian and/or New Zealand releases of the LP don't acknowledge the extra tracks, it just shows that no one has noticed them up to now.
Please bear in mind not all Australian/NZ pressings had this ‘Easter Egg’ (yes, let's call it that).
Our good friend Chris Malone, for instance, has an Australian copy of MQOS that does not bear the Easter Egg.
Cheers
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What a coincidence how practically at the same time, we're granted expanded releases of the only two Oscar nominations which Barry ever lost: MARY and CHAPLIN.
Whoa that IS cool! I remember similarly observing in 2021 that new and improved editions of Jerry Goldsmith’s first and last scores for a Franklin Schaffner film were announced within days of each other.
Yavar
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Can't remember much about movie or score, but here's a question about two that do remain vivid for me:
What does MARY have in common with JUAREZ (1939) and KHARTOUM (1966) and THE WIND AND THE LION (1975)?
Costume designer or cinematographer?
No more guesses? Think plot, not participants.
No spaceships or aliens in any of them?
Beheadings!
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