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 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Damn, I'm bit worry.
I can't buy CDs myself, using intermediary-service. This means that I can get actual CD in 1-1,5 months or so.
And I doubt that they will agree to do refund/replacement after so much time. frown
So - should I wait month or so, when they'll solve problem? Or what? I don't want another Lionheart situation - CD is in-print, wait, CD is sold out, wait, it's in-print again...

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 1:27 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Damn, I'm bit worry.
I can't buy CDs myself, using intermediary-service. This means that I can get actual CD in 1-1,5 months or so.
And I doubt that they will agree to do refund/replacement after so much time. frown
So - should I wait month or so, when they'll solve problem? Or what? I don't want another Lionheart situation - CD is in-print, wait, CD is sold out, wait, it's in-print again...


Hard to say what is the best for you, but depending on where you are, they would still have to replace the CD 2 months later if it is a manufacturing defect. Of course, that's not much consolidation if the CD has by then sold out.

Well, as I said further up, while I like the score, I think the original Varèse Sarabande album was a very good representation of the score already, so I was already on the fence of getting this. Now I will wait and see how all of this plays out first.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 3:44 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Has anyone actually received working copies (meaning how many defective copies there are? All of them or just some)? Since it will cost a fortune in additional fees to receive anything from outside Fucking EU, I am not that eager to accept the package and MASSIVE additional charges for defective discs, which I would be then forced to pay again for PERHAPS replacement correct copy...

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 4:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Has anyone actually received working copies (meaning how many defective copies there are? All of them or just some)? Since it will cost a fortune in additional fees to receive anything from outside Fucking EU, I am not that eager to accept the package and MASSIVE additional charges for defective discs, which I would be then forced to pay again for PERHAPS replacement correct copy...

Yes, I would hold off on such orders until everything is cleared. If you get a bad copy, could well be that you would have to pay all the import and customs fees AGAIN when they send you a replacement copy.
Has happened to me with Faltermeyer's RUNNING MAN, which all things considered cost me somewhere around a whopping $70.- for a single CD. I'd have never bought the disc for $70.- from a retail store. big grin

That's why for some releases, I go with digital downloads (provided they are lossless/high-res, I have no lossy music in my main collection).

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

For what it’s worth, I don’t have my physical copy yet but my three Goldsmith Odyssey colleagues all received theirs: the manufacturing defect is visually present on all of their copies, but the discs have successfully played and ripped, which is why a Spotlight episode will finally be recorded tomorrow evening.

And JB Fan, I could be wrong of course but I think you’re safe enough to wait on this one until the manufacturing issues have been resolved. While City Hall is an *excellent* score… it’s no Lionheart. I think they unfortunately underestimated demand for Lionheart, but 2000 copies of City Hall will take much longer to sell out and seems just about right in this climate of decreasing CD sales.

I just realized that Malice was also produced by Castle Rock Entertainment. I wonder if that’ll be the next Varese Goldsmith expansion after this one.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

For what it’s worth, I don’t have my physical copy yet but my three Goldsmith Odyssey colleagues all received theirs: the manufacturing defect is visually present on all of their copies, but the discs have successfully played and ripped...

Glad you noted that, as I'd forgotten that on my initial rip, track one had the sound. It didn't when I ripped again, and I assumed it was some glitch in my process, but given the stories that followed, here, it's possible that this not only manifests differently from disc to disc, but from playing to ripping, from device to device, and maybe even from time to time (in my case, anyway).

Which still counts as a manufacturing error. A CD should just play, not play occasionally and depending on the player you use.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

I thought it was an isolated problem limited to me when I tried to rip it the other night until I started reading this thread. First it seemed limited to the first two tracks but now many of them are playing with the noise. What a mess!

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Right -- when you initially ripped to WAV, David, one track had a glitch on it if I recall correctly, and when you re-ripped later to FLAC that issue was no longer present. Correct? Did you use the same program to rip both times? Maybe (hopefully) what worked better for you will work better for others.

I hope Varese is able to get the pressing plant to redo this run.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

I had no experience with this score and blind bought. Figures I got the bad disc. But from what I was able to hear, I really like it.

Varese better do the right thing here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)



This is what I see on my CD. It plays fine, although occasionally it takes a couple seconds to choose a track. Not a good sign.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

That's what mine looks like. It seems the entire run is affected. Your playback/ripping success will depend on your player/CD drive's ability to get past that flaw. Luckily, my lossless rip works fine. I don't even like buying CDs anymore. I would have bought it as a lossless download had it been available.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

I had a Blu-Ray once with the same type of defect and it also gave me playback issues. If everyone's is like this they probably all need to be replaced. Even if yours is fine, it might not be later.

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)



This is what I see on my CD. It plays fine, although occasionally it takes a couple seconds to choose a track. Not a good sign.

Thanks for uploading this photo! It reflects what I see on my CD. it seems to play okay, but Exact Audio Copy reports errors on the first track (only) when I try to back it up...

I'll have to give a closer listen on my player to see if I can notice any anomalies...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I ordered two copies (one for myself and a friend) and it looks similar to the picture above but both seem to play fine. I've tried it in my car and on an external disc player hooked up to my iMac.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

mine is fine too

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Played it on 3 players. Sounds fine to me

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

The blob and the fact people are having playback issues may not be connected. But clearly the blob isn't normal. I don't see that on other discs. So that means obviously that in addition to the blob something else also happened during production to cause others to have discs that are not playing back right.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Just received mine and the first 7 tracks are totally riddled with digital popping noises to the point that it's basically unlistenable....

Chris

 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2023 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Just wondering...

Will Varese EVER address this issue or not? So far they seem to be playing dead..


I am certainly not accepting my package until all of this is cleared..

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2023 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Right -- when you initially ripped to WAV, David, one track had a glitch on it if I recall correctly, and when you re-ripped later to FLAC that issue was no longer present. Correct? Did you use the same program to rip both times?

I did. I used Itunes both times, ripping to WAV each time. I always convert to flac later, so it was the same computer program, same CD device, and same disc.

 
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