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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2021 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

While I’m quite happy with the Rhino release, it’s surprising that this has yet to receive a reissue/remaster, especially considering how well known the score is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Expanded score available as a lossless download for just £4.49 at Qbuz

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/how-the-west-was-won-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-bonus-track-version-alfred-newman/0191018941123


I see there is also a physical version of this available as well - label of Sound Track Factory. Never heard of them before - is this legit or a footwarmer ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

I have a spare copy of the Rhino release, if anybody is interested. Email is in my profile. US only, please.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Expanded score available as a lossless download for just £4.49 at Qbuz

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/how-the-west-was-won-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-bonus-track-version-alfred-newman/0191018941123


I see there is also a physical version of this available as well - label of Sound Track Factory. Never heard of them before - is this legit or a footwarmer ?


Soundtrack Factory = footwarmer. Avoid.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Yes...in my top ten western scores list...and one
of the most vibrant main titles in soundtrack history.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I would love to whittle this down to the instrumental tracks only. Just haven't had time to do it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

I only have the LP...don´t really like those american folk songs...so is the RHINO version worth it?
Does it have more Newman score to it and if so how much more minutes of non folk_singing_traditionals are there?Thanks in advance.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:11 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The opening titles in all their glory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWml9Dqoow



The original MGM soundtrack LP only ran 39 minutes and change, but they felt compelled to cut out half (a minute and a half) of the main title. I wonder why producer Jesse Kaye did that? Perhaps they had to pay for the music in 10-minute blocks, and the full overture would have made the album run over 40 minutes, thus entailing additional costs.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I only have the LP...don´t really like those american folk songs...so is the RHINO version worth it?
Does it have more Newman score to it and if so how much more minutes of non folk_singing_traditionals are there?Thanks in advance.


Each to their own ... I think the whole 2CD set (Rhino) is a fabulous release and yes, I love those Americana songs and Sammy Cahn's adaption of Greensleeves. Alfred Newman's score is superb but the vocals raise the whole package to a wonderful listening experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

...So there´s not that much of actual score on the RHINO, but more of all those folk..songs stuff?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The opening titles in all their glory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWml9Dqoow



The original MGM soundtrack LP only ran 39 minutes and change, but they felt compelled to cut out half (a minute and a half) of the main title. I wonder why producer Jesse Kaye did that? Perhaps they had to pay for the music in 10-minute blocks, and the full overture would have made the album run over 40 minutes, thus entailing additional costs.


Surely because another minute of Debbie Reynolds was going to sell more records! We got the full prelude not long afterward, but in feeble sound from the Hollywood Bowl concert. It was decades before a Telarc CD offered good sound and finally the Rhino included the original track. Incidentally, Esa-Pekka Salonen gave the prelude as an encore at the opening concert of the Disney Hall. He spoke the title, "How the West Was Won," as a comment on the long struggle to get the hall completed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

...So there´s not that much of actual score on the RHINO, but more of all those folk..songs stuff?

moolik, although I actually have the Rhino edition, I rarely play it due to the presence of the songs. I could never be bothered programming them out either, so the whole thing has gone unheard for a while. However, going on my failing memory, the worst offenders (to my ears) were the show-stoppers by Debbie Reynolds - "Raising a Ruckus Tonight" and "What Was Your Name in New York" (I think). They really got on my tits, but I think they were also present on the old LP I had (the brown gatefold cover thing from the mid-'70s?). On the other hand, some of the more growly ballads on the Rhino are good, almost in a kind of Leonard Cohen way. A matter of taste as always.

I've just had a look at the contents of the Rhino version, and there are quite a few lengthy tracks credited solely to Newman, but I can't remember much about them. I'm just assuming that there must be a fair bit of pure Newman in there.

You could have a look at Soundtrack Collector and do a comparison. It'll give you an idea at least of how many minutes of Newman there are, plus the amount of song material. Better still, ask MusicMad. He's a mine of information, and although he'll probably say that the Debbie Reynolds songs are delightful (tee hee), he'll also be able to tell you how much dramatic Newman there is. And if MusicMad fails you, Les Jepson will surely have some worthwhile info.

Mitch? Les? Help moolik. I tried to but failed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Haha...nono...Graham..thanks for your response...it helpedsmile..I will check the tracks on soundtrackcollector...Thx guys!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


I've just had a look at the contents of the Rhino version, and there are quite a few lengthy tracks credited solely to Newman, but I can't remember much about them. I'm just assuming that there must be a fair bit of pure Newman in there.

You could have a look at Soundtrack Collector and do a comparison. It'll give you an idea at least of how many minutes of Newman there are, plus the amount of song material. Better still, ask MusicMad. He's a mine of information, and although he'll probably say that the Debbie Reynolds songs are delightful (tee hee), he'll also be able to tell you how much dramatic Newman there is


Looks like about an hour and 25 of music only credited to Newman, and another about 20 where the track has Newman and 'traditional' or someone else both credited. That leaves a half hour not by Newman at all.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

I believe the following tracks include original Newman music, some incorporating traditional songs. The Rhino recording is indispensable.

Disc 1: How The West Was Won

1. Overture [Extended Version] (How The West Was Won / I'm Bound For The Promised Land / Shenandoah / Endless Prarie / The Ox Driver / I'm Bound For The Promised Land / How The West Was Won) 5:49
2. Main Title 3:07
3. This Is The West 3:18

5. Two Hearts On A Tree 2:02

7. First Meeting 2:23
8. First Kiss 2:26
9. The Morning After 0:23
10. The River Pirates [Extended Version] (The River Pirates / Stalking And Killing) 9:15
11. Godspeed Eve (Godspeed Eve / The Rapids) 2:24
12. The Burial (Bereavement / Rock Of Ages / Fulfillment) 4:40
13. Wagon Train Forward (Wagon train / War With Mexico / Banks Of the Sacramento / Wait For The Wagon) 2:00
14. Sit Down Sister 1:35
15. Wanderin' 1:38
16. The Jump Off Point 0:22
17. Cleve Van Valen [Extended Version] (Cleve Van Valen / Wagon train / Morgan, Lilith And Aggie / Cleve And The Mule) 5:16
18. Poor Wayfarin' Stranger 2:03

20. Come Share My Life 2:16*
21. Cheyennes [Extended Version] (Cheyenned / Indian Fight) 4:37
22. Careless Love 0:36
23. Gold Claim 1:39

25. He's Gone Away [Outtake] 3:17

27. Marriage Proposal 1:44

Disc 2: How The West Was Won

1. Entr'acte [Extended Version] (How The West Was Won / A Home In The Meadow / Nin Hundred Miles / Banks Of The Sacramento / I'm Bound For The Promised Land / When Johnny Comes Marching Home / The Battle Hymn Of The Republic) 4:36
2. Mr. Lincoln 1:09
3. He's Linus' Boy 3:01

5. When Johnny Comes Marching Home 0:57
6. Zeb's Return 4:03
7. The Pony Express 1:52
8. A Railroader's Bride I'll Be 1:14
9. Workin' 0:28

12. Zeb And Jethro 3:02
13. Buffalo Stampede (Buffalo Stampede / Aftermath) 1:39
14. Climb A Higher Hill [Extended Version] 4:17
15. The Van Valen Auction 3:58
16. Gant (Desperado) 1:54
17. No Goodbye 2:35
18. Celebration 1:49
19. Finale 0:20
20. Finale Ultimo

* "Come Share My Life" is an original Ken Darby song adapted by Newman on a few tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The original MGM soundtrack LP only ran 39 minutes and change, but they felt compelled to cut out half (a minute and a half) of the main title. I wonder why producer Jesse Kaye did that? Perhaps they had to pay for the music in 10-minute blocks, and the full overture would have made the album run over 40 minutes, thus entailing additional costs.
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Surely because another minute of Debbie Reynolds was going to sell more records! We got the full prelude not long afterward, but in feeble sound from the Hollywood Bowl concert. It was decades before a Telarc CD offered good sound and finally the Rhino included the original track.


The Telarc/Cincinnati Pops version may have been in better sound than the old LP, but it was hardly any longer, giving us just 1:45 of the prelude before moving on to other themes in its 7-minute suite. I think the prelude portion ran a little longer than the LP version because Erich Kunzel took it at a slower pace.

The full original 3:07 prelude actually first appeared in 1991, six years before the Rhino disc, on Sony's expanded version.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I only have the LP...don´t really like those american folk songs...so is the RHINO version worth it?
Does it have more Newman score to it and if so how much more minutes of non folk_singing_traditionals are there?Thanks in advance.



The sings are integral to the whole experience. Too bad. The rhino collection is excellent

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Yes, the songs really are integral to the picture. The family sings, and Debbie's character -- the only through line in the entire narrative -- becomes an entertainer.

I wonder if "Greensleeves" was as familiar in 1963 as it is today? When I saw the film (at age 15), I had never heard the tune before, and so I had no problem incorporating it into the Newman fabric. Today, of course, the tune is ubiquitous as a Christmas carol ("What Child Is This?"). It was never heard in Catholic churches before the Vatican Council's reforms. But it must have been familiar in the Anglican tradition.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Yes, the songs really are integral to the picture. The family sings, and Debbie's character -- the only through line in the entire narrative -- becomes an entertainer.

I wonder if "Greensleeves" was as familiar in 1963 as it is today? When I saw the film (at age 15), I had never heard the tune before, and so I had no problem incorporating it into the Newman fabric. Today, of course, the tune is ubiquitous as a Christmas carol ("What Child Is This?"). It was never heard in Catholic churches before the Vatican Council's reforms. But it must have been familiar in the Anglican tradition.





Greensleeves was written in the Tudor period and wasn't a religious song.
The lyrics for "What Child Is This?" were written and added about 300 years later.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Yes, of course. I'm just wondering if the tune was as ubiquitous in the USA before 1963 as it has since become.

 
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