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 Posted:   May 26, 2011 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)



You guys wax nostalgic about yesteryear,.........................


Well we would wouldn't we, the thrread is titled '58 Dean Street Memories' wink


Yes, that's typical Thor!

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2011 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I still have my old Goldsmith Society "Apollo" newsletter that contained Derek Braeger's obituary, which observed he was "surely to be missed by s/t collectors everywhere for his enterprise and enthusiasm (if not for his telephone manner)".

Yeap, remember that well smile

And yes CinemaScope, 58 Dean St did sell Soundtrack magazine as well as Legend and various other mags.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2011 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, cinemascope, so much better to be leafing through soundtracks you couldn't afford to have Derek take the piss out of you from behind the counter so all the shop could hear him!!
(Just kidding mate!)

Actually he was deliciously rude to people - in a sort of permanently-annoyed Basil Fawlty-type way but delivered in a camp voice. He was quite witty so it never bothered me. The visits were always entertaining - especially when he was slaughtering some other poor sod further up the record racks from me!!!!


He, he...sounds very HIGH FIDELITY.... smile


A "charactor" & I suppose not enough of those. Anyone remember The Cinema Bookshop (just down the road from the British Museum), the owner there was always chomping on the most foul smelling cigar, the place really stank. I still have a few books I bought from there, & I'm sure I can still smell it if I give them a scratch & sniff. For a few years it was the only place I knew that sold Soundtrack magazine (but thinking about it, 58 Dean St. must have sold it as well).


I remember a similar guy in a used record store here in Oslo. He was tall, wellbuilt, dark eyebrows and always looking pissed and smelling foul. I went there a couple of times to sell of some CD's, and I was terrified everytime he looked through them. He was a little "gruff" and I generally didn't dare to question the prices he wanted to give me....even though it was way, way lower than what I had expected (and what I once had paid myself).

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2011 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


A "charactor" & I suppose not enough of those. Anyone remember The Cinema Bookshop (just down the road from the British Museum), the owner there was always chomping on the most foul smelling cigar, the place really stank. I still have a few books I bought from there, & I'm sure I can still smell it if I give them a scratch & sniff. For a few years it was the only place I knew that sold Soundtrack magazine (but thinking about it, 58 Dean St. must have sold it as well).


I distributed Soundtrack magazine and it was stocked by 58 Dean Street Records, That's Entertainment, The Cinema Bookshop, Zwemmers Bookstore, HMV, Virgin Megastore and Tower Records. Derek at Dean Street could certainly be difficult to deal with - providing advertising copy on hastily written scraps of paper and complaining about other record shops advertising in the magazine. I wasn't entirely surprised that he died of a sudden massive heart attack in his '50s because he always seemed to be a typical Type A highly-stressed personality.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2011 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)

Anyone remember The Cinema Bookshop (just down the road from the British Museum), the owner there was always chomping on the most foul smelling cigar, the place really stank. I still have a few books I bought from there, & I'm sure I can still smell it if I give them a scratch & sniff. For a few years it was the only place I knew that sold Soundtrack magazine (but thinking about it, 58 Dean St. must have sold it as well).

Fred Zentner. He sold quite a few John Barry books for me back in the late 90s, so we missed his shop this time around, just as we did Rare Discs.

Nice, though sad, article about both shops here:

http://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/042105/n042105_19.htm

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   philip*eric   (Member)

This thread makes me feel very nostalgic ---remembering all the fun we had searching for pieces of "what dreams are made of"
what a communal experience it was for so many of us - visiting the soundtrack and show stores in London or New Youk or Chicago or LA or elsewhere -- looking though stacks + stacks of LPs for that rare gem we had wanted for so long --- and later CDs and laserdiscs - now those kind of shops have practically vanished - and it has never been as fun to look at dvds and cds -- not nearly as colorful I am afraid.
the same goes for places like the Cinema Book Shop in London where I remember spending hours sifting though movie memorablia - looking for finds and bargains - as I used too in the few similar shops in Chicago which are now gone -- it's all online for the most part---
yes we have instant access to a million items on ebay -- but it does not seem quite as much fun ..

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

For a few years it was the only place I knew that sold Soundtrack magazine (but thinking about it, 58 Dean St. must have sold it as well).

Ah - that triggers another memory (By the way, from reading others' descriptions of him here, I think it's safe to replace the phrase "the guy at the counter" in my first post with "Derek").

58 Dean Street was where I first found out about Soundtrack Magazine. I bought a copy when I was there, and asked if one could subscribe to it, to which he answered "No, no - you can ONLY buy it in stores like this!".

What WAS it with this guy?! He must have been a compulsive liar!

It seems people have good memories of him but, as I related in my first post, he apparently wasn't above swindling people, so I'm afraid he gets a thumbs-down from me.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Ouch, Nils. From your description, he seems to reinforce the soundtrack nerd stereotype....i.e. passionate about the interest, but with no social skills.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Nils, in most cases, people feel uncomfortable putting down people too much when they've passed over. There is plenty of "description" on here for you to realise that people have happy memories of shopping there and what they bought, not necessarily warm memories of Derek's behaviour, which was mixed, depending on his mood, the time of the month, the customers in the shop, if he liked them or not, etc etc. I think its fair to say that some had no problems but those that did got short shrift from an acid tongue.

No, Thor, he wasnt a nerd. He was rude and offensive, but not a nerd. He was sharp and witty, and was genuinely entertaining, and probably slightly manic, but not a nerd.

Lets talk about this smelly bloke in your shop in Norway.
Better still, lets you and me start a thread on him.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

Nils, in most cases, people feel uncomfortable putting down people too much when they've passed over.

Yes, I realize that, and normally that's my attitude also, but, like I mentioned, my encounter with him stayed with me for a while (and not in a good way), so when I saw this thread I had to vent a little.

I definitely did not find him "entertaining", only loud, condescending, and domineering, but that's probably because he, for some reason, quickly put me in his "don't like" category.

And by the way, don't you British people have a "Tell it like it was!" attitude when it comes to obituaries? wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

No, Thor, he wasnt a nerd. He was rude and offensive, but not a nerd. He was sharp and witty, and was genuinely entertaining, and probably slightly manic, but not a nerd.

I would think that running a shop like that in the first place makes you a nerd. It's kinda in the job description.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Nils, sorry mate, please be aware I wasnt saying dont tell us your experience, no, that's fine, speak like you found him. I was really kinda saying is that's probably why people on the thread so far had maybe held back a little from speaking plainly. Even James F - who worked with him - was fairly gentle in his appraisal. But no, you recount whatever you want. Sounds like you were swindled.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I found Derek pleasant, knowlegeable and helpful. He had a note book with huge lists of LPs that he could get from overseas. He ordered me quite a bit of stuff.

However I do remember on one occason he asked his assistant something and the reply was "whaaaaaaaaaaat!"

This did not go down well with Derek and there was a huge row in front of customers.

Great shop though. A real treasure chest of film scores and a great experience

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

Bill - that's all right! I misread you, sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

One time in the shop Derek was rude to me, so I told him to go fuck himself and dumped the albums down without paying. I didn't go in there for about months and when I did eventually go back he came up to me and apologised!!! I was gobsmacked!

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

By reacting like that, you probably proved your worth to him. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I would have done the exact same thing as mikejenner if I had been offended like that. I don't tolerate that kind of behaviour.

But of course, it's a double-edged sword. This was another time and place. Soundtracks weren't just a click away. So you'd have to be "in" with the guy who ran this shop, and this Derek fellow was probably very aware of that.

Fascinating stuff!

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Well you didn't have to put up with any of that crap in the huge soundtrack dept. of Tower Records, Piccadilly Circus. All those reasonably priced Japanese & Italian imports. A lot of the staff were American, I don't know if Tower bought them over.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Illustrator   (Member)

One time in the shop Derek was rude to me, so I told him to go fuck himself and dumped the albums down without paying. I didn't go in there for about months and when I did eventually go back he came up to me and apologised!!! I was gobsmacked!

I never had any negative experiences with him but I do seem to recall that there was a period when the twins and he had a falling out as he felt they had been rude to a friend of his. Obviously this was later smoothed over.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2011 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

One time in the shop Derek was rude to me, so I told him to go fuck himself and dumped the albums down without paying. I didn't go in there for about months and when I did eventually go back he came up to me and apologised!!! I was gobsmacked!

He apologised? eek big grin

Like Peter he was always pleasent to me but I witnessed numerous times his off-hand attitude to others.

 
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