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Jan 22, 2012 - 1:54 PM
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bewlay
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'They are most often more interested in certain genres and therefore certain styles of music which belong to those genres, but these two symphonic scores do not really belong to such a group and therefore don't get the attention they deserve which is a great pity.'
Hi Stefan,
You're right, I think this is precisely the reason why the soundtracks for those films have gone under the radar somewhat. In fact, most of what you have written about your own experiences from these films as well as the music reflect mine. I would still say though that Cristo & Tre Fratelli, while highly respected, are not well known to most people these days. I don't doubt they have their place in film history -I adore both of them- but like you said, they don't fall into the types of genres that most people are attracted to these days.
At the current rate with which Piccioni's scores are being released, I'm pretty certain Cristo will be around soon. A 2 cd set with both complete scores would be even better. I think it's only a matter of time, anyway. I was also under the impression that Jason Piccioni, Piero's son, was responsible for many of the recent cd releases, making available many of his 'lost' scores taken from his father's personal archives. I'll bet both Cristo & Tre Fratelli are there amongst them...
@wayoutwest - Le Altre sounds great, thanks for that, I had never heard it before. Just that small clip reveals enough music to think that there is another great soundtrack hiding in there, waiting to be released...!
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At the current rate with which Piccioni's scores are being released, I'm pretty certain Cristo will be around soon. A 2 cd set with both complete scores would be even better. I think it's only a matter of time, anyway. I was also under the impression that Jason Piccioni, Piero's son, was responsible for many of the recent cd releases, making available many of his 'lost' scores taken from his father's personal archives. I'll bet both Cristo & Tre Fratelli are there amongst them...
I am not so sure, because I am waiting for CRISTO and TRE FRATELLI for a long time now. I still have hopes for a release, but as everyone knows it will be no commercial success on CD, I am also skeptical.
Yes, you are right, tapes for both scores are there in the Piccioni archives. I suppose that the original tapes for TRE FRATELLI might otherwise even be lost. On the other hand, Sugar/CAM should have the original ones for CRISTO.
And as I had said, there is a lot of other music besides very nice and different arrangements of the wonderful main theme which Piccioni had written for CRISTO and which was not even used in the longer TV version.
I would say that a very good 40 minute CD version of CRISTO would certainly be feasible without getting too repetitive.
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Jan 29, 2012 - 10:15 AM
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ToneRow
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OnyaBirri is late to the Piccioni party!
Personally, I would recommend 'dramatic" Piccioni to contrast what you already have, so that you could have a range of all types of scores PP had done.
After all, like the interview article above says, Piccioni scored upwards of 300 titles and should not only be known for comedies and "lounge".
However, I'll try to shape my recommendations to cater to what you want.
This title (an alternate English title = "First Surrender") surprised me very much when I bought it blind. Just the fact that it's from 1971 means it's automatic Piccioni purchase for me - my favorite Piccioni year!
To my delight, portions of this one sound like a giallo - so this flick must be something more than its soundtrack cover indicates!
One site lists it here:
http://www.discogs.com/Piero-Piccioni--Dirai-Ho-Ucciso-Per-Legittima-Difesa-Original-Soundtrack/release/1971102
Next, SCACCO ALLA REGINA (which has already been mentioned above). The English alternate title is "Check To The Queen", so I'm assuming Rosanna Schiaffino is a queen with silver body paint.
REGINA is a "standard" Piccioni title - so iconic of Piccioni that several tracks of this album were incorporated into his 1976 score for QUELLE STRANE OCCASIONI.
After REGINA if you haven't had your Piccioni fix, then I suggest SENZA VIA D'USCITA (1970), which appears to be a flick about fashion photography and models.
You can get SENZA VIA D'USCITA as the "2nd bill" on the CIAO GULLIVER soundtrack:
CIAO GULLIVER itself sound like no other Piccioni - lots of Indian instruments, vocals, and Eastern scales.
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/piero_piccioni/ciao_gulliver___senza_via_duscita__1970_/
Aim for the Devil's backbone, next!
I realize you don't like Westerns, but this is one which doesn't sound at all as if it's in the late 1800s; Piccioni's organ keyboard anchors LA SPINA DORSALE DEL DIAVOLO in 1970!
Check out track #20 right here @ SAE's sound samples:
http://www.screenarchives.com/flash_mp3_player/mp3player.cfm?ID=14118&TID=14118&pheight=184
Once you hear Shawn Robinson's vocals "Once And Again", I'm sure you'll like this one:
http://www.screenarchives.com/flash_mp3_player/mp3player.cfm?ID=13676&TID=13676&pheight=184
I don't know why this is called IN THE EYE OF THE HURRICANE when its more like THE FOX WITH THE VELVET TAIL?
Anyways, this is prime Piccioni lounge & psychedelia.
You might also like this "KIDNAP" film with Henry Silva:
Here's an early Piccioni score that you might like - it's got Mancini-type selections:
Plus you may want to check out FSM's own effort to offer greater exposure of Piccioni's music with KENNER on disc #1:
And if you're interested in hunting down some early and/or rare Piccioni vinyl on C.A.M., here's an older title to go for:
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Feb 2, 2012 - 2:38 PM
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bewlay
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Think I still prefer the old Japanese cover art above but at least the new one looks better than my ordinary Cam cd.
The amount of expanded Italian titles that they are putting out is crazy especially when there are so many unreleased scores.
wayoutwest, are you saying they should be focusing on getting those unreleased scores out before doing any further expanded versions? I'm sure it's slightly easier for them to do expanded versions over unreleased scores.The tapes are probably more accessible since they've already been used in a previous release.
By the way, I forwarded that youtube clip of Le Altre to the guys at Beat Records, suggesting they look into releasing the soundtrack. Their initial reaction was that they hadn't even heard of the film or the soundtrack (or perhaps I misinterpreted their email) but they said they would look into locating the score. Not that they will necessarily release it on their label next month, but if word gets around, & I'm certain there will be an interest in releasing it, someone is bound to do it, whether it's Beat, Digitmovies, Quartet,etc.
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Feb 3, 2012 - 12:41 AM
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bewlay
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Some of Piccioni's scores should never go out of print like this master piece another one of my favourites.
I love this score too, wayoutwest. I have the japanese cd edition that came out about 10 years ago. Talking about expanded versions, I would only be too happy to have one of the labels do this with Swept Away. I don't know if you own this soundtrack, but have you noticed the differences in the music used in the film compared to what's on the cd & vinyl versions out there now? They're not the same at all.
For example, the 'main title' track on the cd I have(the exact same version as in the first youtube clip in your post) is quite different to what's heard over the opening titles in the film. They are close, but not identical. Different variations, outtakes or alternatives versions were used for the cd & vinyl releases, I don't know where they got them from, but you don't hear many of them in the film. I would love to get the actual film versions, as I much prefer them over the ones on the cd I have.
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By the way, I forwarded that youtube clip of Le Altre to the guys at Beat Records, suggesting they look into releasing the soundtrack. Their initial reaction was that they hadn't even heard of the film or the soundtrack (or perhaps I misinterpreted their email) but they said they would look into locating the score. Not that they will necessarily release it on their label next month, but if word gets around, & I'm certain there will be an interest in releasing it, someone is bound to do it, whether it's Beat, Digitmovies, Quartet,etc.
Bewlay, what you should do is send an e-mail to Digitmovies, but not to Beat Records, because that makes not much sense. It is quite clear that Beat Records has not heard of this score at all, because Beat Records is mainly handling their own catalogue and the old Nazionalmusic, Sonorfilm etc. catalogues. However, LE ALTRE is owned by CAM and now by Sugar.
GDM and Digitmovies do have the best contacts to that company, but not Beat. Therefore you can be sure that Beat will not release LE ALTRE in future, because it is a completely different Italian company.
Either contact Digitmovies or GDM, although I don't think that GDM will do it. Certainly not, because GDM does the Morricone expansions, the Hillside releases which are mainly Spaghetti westerns or the old RCA (now Universal Music Publishing) catalogue - the later one now in cooperation with the Legend label under the heading GDM/Legend. So there is probably only Digitmovies which could release it.
The same of course also goes for example for I DOLCI INGANNI or for CRISTO SI È FERMATO A EBOLI, also owned by Sugar/CAM. I can only urge all of you here on this board interested in any of these scores, please write to Digitmovies - that means to Luca Di Silverio and to Claudio Fuiano. Nobody else at the moment will be able to fuflill your dreams.
The more people write to them, the better! Otherwise they can't really assess how many collectors would be interested in such a title.
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Feb 3, 2012 - 6:52 AM
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bewlay
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Thanks Stefan, that's good to know...honestly, with regards to unreleased scores, I'm never quite sure who owns the rights to what soundtrack usually. Sometimes there are clear indications, but not always. I only mentioned Le Altre to the Beat Records guys because I had been talking with them about other soundtracks, & I decided to mention that one. I imagine the people who work at those Italian labels know each other & must discuss soundtrack releases all the time. And then there's Quartet & Saimel records, both based in Spain, who release Italian scores as well. Kronos Records has also started releasing Italian soundtracks, & they are based in Germany or Malta, I think. They all mostly seem to have Facebook pages too, & I've made some requests for soundtracks there...
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