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 Posted:   Apr 19, 2013 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Burwell will for sure be forced to compose on the "Zimmer-Wall-of-Sounds" style, just like Doyle was.

What a shame.


Yeah, no.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2013 - 11:37 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

Patrick Doyle's score wasn't terrible. I especially liked the track "Letting Go". However, it kind of failed to establish an exciting or memorable theme for THOR. For a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder and lightning, I expected something on the Basil Poledouris level, but I guess that was wishful thinking. I'm excited to see Carter Burwell getting a chance at it. In addition to action queues, I hope the film allows for a some good piano moments, which Carter seems very good at.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

Since that Burwell did an homage to the themes that Desplat and Shone created for the Twilight saga, I do think that he'll try to bring it back some of the few themes that Doyle created in the first film.

Anyway, no matter what, people will find some excuse to bash him.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

However, I fear that Burwell will suffer the usual fate of an off-beat composer choice, the same fate he suffered on "The Gangster Squad:" rejection and replacement by Lorne Jablonsky-Djawadi.

Craig Armstrong was an unusual choice for The Incredible Hulk and he didn't get replaced.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I love Burwell. Has he done a big big epic blockbuster film like this before? I'm excited for what he may do. I hope it doesn't turn into an Air Force One when they had Randy do the score, then it was replaced at the 11th hour. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I love Burwell. Has he done a big big epic blockbuster film like this before? I'm excited for what he may do. I hope it doesn't turn into an Air Force One when they had Randy do the score, then it was replaced at the 11th hour. smile

He hasn't really, but listen to selections from Rob Roy, Howl, the latest Twilights, Burn After Reading, The Jackal, A Knight's Tale, Gods and Monsters, Conspiracy Theory . . . he has what it takes. I think he'll really knock some people's socks off here.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2013 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   MClayton   (Member)

I love Burwell. Has he done a big big epic blockbuster film like this before?

If you're looking at blockbuster films as in the money invested to make it, then I offer Twilight: Breaking Dawn - Part 1 and Twilight: Breaking Dawn - Part 2.

There's some amazing stuff in Part 2, like the Twilight Overture (where Burwell incorporates Desplat and Shore's themes in the main titles underscore) and the battle music near the end. Very impressive.

And as for the question of whether Burwell will be replaced -- let's look at Marvel Studios' history as a production entity. All of the composers that have scored them were not replaced at the last minute.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2013 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

And as for the question of whether Burwell will be replaced -- let's look at Marvel Studios' history as a production entity. All of the composers that have scored them were not replaced at the last minute.

"Punisher: War Zone" had a score replaced, after the film was done (as well as replacing the director).

The first "Thor" was originally going to be scored by another composer. I have no idea when that change happened.

Plus, we don't really know sometimes until years later, that a score was replaced. Also, their movies, according to IMDb, only date back to 2007, so it's not a long history and respectively, not a long list of films (if you minus TV series and animated direct-to-video features). Before that they made two animated video projects and the TV series "Mutant X".

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2013 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

http://www.imdb.com/list/TB56Gm1AqRw/?ref_=hm_3p_vi1#lb-1

First trailer came out today. Click on the above URL. Anyone know who composed the music behind the trailer?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

The first "Thor" was originally going to be scored by another composer. I have no idea when that change happened.

How's so? Since the moment that Branagh was chosen to do the first film, it was obvious that Doyle was going to score it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The first "Thor" was originally going to be scored by another composer. I have no idea when that change happened.

How's so? Since the moment that Branagh was chosen to do the first film, it was obvious that Doyle was going to score it.


Ilan Eshkeri said in a couple interviews (that I saw), he was going to score it. Perhaps another director was attached. Perhaps Doyle was booked and Branagh had to find somebody else.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

A good choice! Burwell obviously has all it takes to make a great score for this. Can't imagine he will do too much RC-like stuff since he has proven himself as having some integrity and not as someone doing anything to get a gig. As I see it, he has been replaced several times b/c of this.

I wonder though - he was a bit unsatisfied with what he achieved in big budget working conditions on Breaking Dawn, with the tight deadlines not allowing much experimentation. Perhaps he wants the challenge.

As with integrating former themes - I think such decisions are mostly up do directors and producers on these projects. Like Warner demanding that Hedwig's theme be used on every Potter movie.

I second that Marvel productions have been kind of bland. It's interesting that they allow for some eclectic choices now, like Branagh, Doyle, Whedon and Burwell. I imagine it's a kind of hopping on the auteur-superhero train that is the thing now. Seems contradictory to their 'Marvelverse' plans. I like it actually, even if results have been mixed.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Uhtred   (Member)

Ilan Eshkeri said in a couple interviews (that I saw), he was going to score it. Perhaps another director was attached. Perhaps Doyle was booked and Branagh had to find somebody else.

There was a version of Thor planned that would be directed by Matthew Vaughan who has worked with Ilan Eshkeri a few times. That version was canned and a new script written that would be directed by Kenneth Branagh in the end.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Patrick Doyle's score wasn't terrible. I especially liked the track "Letting Go". However, it kind of failed to establish an exciting or memorable theme for THOR. For a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder and lightning, I expected something on the Basil Poledouris level, but I guess that was wishful thinking. I'm excited to see Carter Burwell getting a chance at it. In addition to action queues, I hope the film allows for a some good piano moments, which Carter seems very good at.

Exciting and memorable theme? Failed? Watch the end credit sequences flight through space, up to the title card. I damned near wept in the theater.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

I especially liked the track "Letting Go". However, it kind of failed to establish an exciting or memorable theme for THOR.

Funny that you mention to like the cue Letting Go, and you say that there's no memorable theme for THOR. When that cue is practically his theme being played emotionally (same at the last two minutes of The Compound).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   MClayton   (Member)


Ilan Eshkeri said in a couple interviews (that I saw), he was going to score it. Perhaps another director was attached. Perhaps Doyle was booked and Branagh had to find somebody else.


He said that when Matthew Vaughn was in negotiations to direct "Thor" back in 2008. When that fell through, Eshkeri was out.

Branagh's not going to abandon Doyle for someone else, if he can help it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

I especially liked the track "Letting Go". However, it kind of failed to establish an exciting or memorable theme for THOR.

Funny that you mention to like the cue Letting Go, and you say that there's no memorable theme for THOR. When that cue is practically his theme being played emotionally (same at the last two minutes of The Compound).


I’m just saying that aside from one or two tracks, the score as a whole was forgettable and I've had no desire to revisit it in the past two years. For a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder and lightning, I expected something more epic and memorable. A quick view at Amazon.com shows reviews titles such as "Very mediocre", "We said THOR not BORE", "Sad, so Sad", "Doyle, Dumbed Down", "Lacks Asgardian Flare". So I know I'm not alone in my opinion. I'm happy to see Carter Burwell be given a chance.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2013 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

A quick view at Amazon.com shows reviews titles such as "Very mediocre", "We said THOR not BORE", "Sad, so Sad", "Doyle, Dumbed Down", "Lacks Asgardian Flare". So I know I'm not alone in my opinion. I'm happy to see Carter Burwell be given a chance.

But Burwell will not be allowed to buck the established sound for these films, any more than Doyle or anybody could. It's not like Doyle forgot how to write a melody. But in general, melodies are considered quaint these days.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

As I recall from an audio interview (or maybe it was video) of Doyle, the problem with his score was due to the director telling him what not to use and to go lower, darker, and not necessarily studio interference.

Assuming Burwell isn't backed into a musical corner like that with Alan Taylor, he should be free to do his own thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 3:44 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Doyle said a dozen times that he made a conscious decision at the very beginning with Branagh to go modern with Thor. People just choose to ignore that.

 
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