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 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Roger posted over on the Intrada board that they actually HAD the entire score IN MONO, and seriously considered making this a 2-CD set, but knew that people would complain about the price.. something like that! Maybe he'll see this and elaborate further! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Roger posted over on the Intrada board that they actually HAD the entire score IN MONO, and seriously considered making this a 2-CD set, but knew that people would complain about the price.. something like that! Maybe he'll see this and elaborate further! smile

Interesting. I don't think he needs to elaborate. We all know that there is no one choice all buyers prefer. Some would certainly have been upset about the price, and at least one here about the duplication of music. You can't please everybody.

I'm very happy with this release as it is. This score has a lot of great stuff, though it isn't for me the knockout that last year's "Damnation Alley" was. That's an unfair comparison, of course, and I'm sure there are many here who feel the opposite. Because you can't please everybody.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:09 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Roger posted over on the Intrada board that they actually HAD the entire score IN MONO, and seriously considered making this a 2-CD set, but knew that people would complain about the price.. something like that! Maybe he'll see this and elaborate further! smile

He said both mono and stereo have anomalies, so it made sense to omit the mono half. But the fact that they considered a 2-disc release might imply it is less anomalous than the stereo. As Yavar wishfully joked, after this sells out, maybe they'll re-issue it in 5 years with the complete mono. Too bad they couldn't have done it both ways. Would be an interesting experiment to see which one sold more.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

This score is just phenomenal. I'd never heard it before, having filed it away as 'crap Goldsmith' after reading a very early and unfavorable Movie-Wave review many years ago, without actually checking it out. (BTW: no slam intended to James Southall... everyone has their own tastes and I find his align with mine more often than not, but not in the case of this score).

But this score is astonishing. Easily a 5 star work and it reminds me so much of the tone of the Illustrated Man - one of my favorite scores by Jerry. The audio anomalies really don't detract from the experience that much and I'm tremendously grateful to Intrada for getting this out. Stellar release!

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

That's why I traded TSB .

Sacrilege!


That is the second time this week i have been called a heretic!

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

That's why I traded TSB .

Sacrilege!



I wouldn’t go so far as to call it sacrilege,...


You call that a defense?!

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

James has been known to drastically revise some of his early opinions...I’d be very curious to hear what he thinks of the new Intrada issue.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

One of the many nice things about this CD (which I'm playing for the 4th or 5th time right now) is that because of the weird synth sounds Goldsmith uses in this particular score, the tape anomalies seem almost part of a deliberate soundscape and not a glitch.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

because of the weird synth sounds Goldsmith uses in this particular score, the tape anomalies seem almost part of a deliberate soundscape and not a glitch.

Ha! I thought the same thing!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

On second listen, I've already inured myself to most of the anomalies. Also goes without saying that there's instrumental details revealed on this release that had not been heard (think I heard a calliope in one of the later tracks).

Was this the first Goldsmith score with "wall-to-wall" music? Goldsmith had developed a reputation at this time for being judicious to an extreme with spotting. Apparently he felt that this film (probably in part due to the overlong New England travelogue footage) needed extra help.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Studio photos of Jerry Goldsmith and his synths/recording equipment are very rare, especially ones from the 1970's. However, I just found this b/w pic of Jerry in his home studio with his ARP 2500 and 2600, circa 1976/77.




Not sure if he already had the big 2500 when recording Peter Proud back in the fall of '74, but it does sound like he used an early string synth, presumably the then-new ARP/Solina string ensemble, on this particular score alongside the ARP modular(s).

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

He is a regular Pete Townshend!

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Studio photos of Jerry Goldsmith and his synths/recording equipment are very rare, especially ones from the 1970's. However, I just found this b/w pic of Jerry in his home studio with his ARP 2500 and 2600, circa 1976/77.




Not sure if he already had the big 2500 when recording Peter Proud back in the fall of '74, but it does sound like he used an early string synth, presumably the then-new ARP/Solina string ensemble, on this particular score alongside the ARP modular(s).




Awesome.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have NEVER seen those pictures!!! Thanks for posting them..... and FIND SOME MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!big grinbig grinbig grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Was this the first Goldsmith score with "wall-to-wall" music? Goldsmith had developed a reputation at this time for being judicious to an extreme with spotting. Apparently he felt that this film (probably in part due to the overlong New England travelogue footage) needed extra help.

Well...the film Lonely Are the Brave (1962) was his first lengthy film score at over an hour long, whereas his first four feature scores were all under 40 minutes in length. ("A Marriage of Strangers," the longest Playhouse 90 score we were able to find and cover for The Goldsmith Odyssey, was just over 35 minutes long...I suppose it's possible than one of the many apparently lost Playhouse 90s like "Made in Japan" might possibly exceed the 40 minute mark as these were essentially feature-length programs.)

I checked on the film lengths and Lonely Are the Brave is almost exactly as long a film as Peter Proud, with a score almost exactly as long. The Spiral Road (also 1962 but later in the year) is over 65 minutes long, so an even longer score than Peter Proud, although with the film being over half an hour longer than either Lonely or Proud, I guess you could say it's more sparsely scored than they are.

Still, even with his lengthiest scores like The Mummy, I wouldn't say Jerry Goldsmith ever scored a film "wall-to-wall". He always left room for silence...the amount of it just varied.

EDIT: Well, I think I just remembered one exception that was scored wall-to-wall: The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint. But then that was a short film, through-composed like a concert work.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Studio photos of Jerry Goldsmith and his synths/recording equipment are very rare, especially ones from the 1970's. However, I just found this b/w pic of Jerry in his home studio with his ARP 2500 and 2600, circa 1976/77.




Not sure if he already had the big 2500 when recording Peter Proud back in the fall of '74, but it does sound like he used an early string synth, presumably the then-new ARP/Solina string ensemble, on this particular score alongside the ARP modular(s).


Not seen these pictures before. Wow! Great share. What is the history behind these? Fascinating.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

Was this the first Goldsmith score with "wall-to-wall" music? Goldsmith had developed a reputation at this time for being judicious to an extreme with spotting. Apparently he felt that this film (probably in part due to the overlong New England travelogue footage) needed extra help.

Well...the film Lonely Are the Brave (1962) was his first lengthy film score at over an hour long, whereas his first four feature scores were all under 40 minutes in length. ("A Marriage of Strangers," the longest Playhouse 90 score we were able to find and cover for The Goldsmith Odyssey, was just over 35 minutes long...I suppose it's possible than one of the many apparently lost Playhouse 90s like "Made in Japan" might possibly exceed the 40 minute mark as these were essentially feature-length programs.)

I checked on the film lengths and Lonely Are the Brave is almost exactly as long a film as Peter Proud, with a score almost exactly as long. The Spiral Road (also 1962 but later in the year) is over 65 minutes long, so an even longer score than Peter Proud, although with the film being over half an hour longer than either Lonely or Proud, I guess you could say it's more sparsely scored than they are.

Still, even with his lengthiest scores like The Mummy, I wouldn't say Jerry Goldsmith ever scored a film "wall-to-wall". He always left room for silence...the amount of it just varied.

EDIT: Well, I think I just remembered one exception that was scored wall-to-wall: The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint. But then that was a short film, through-composed like a concert work.

Yavar


Goldsmith's records was 85 minutes, I think (Air Force One and The Mummy). Every other composer exceeded that length several times or on a regular basis. Just look at the special editions of various composers - mostly the complete score has a running time between 90 and 120 minutes! That's one reason why Goldsmith is the most effective film composer. He knows, better than anyone else, how to use the absence of music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

The Shadow clocks just at about 90min, Doug sez that's the longest...

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Herbert Spencer orchestrated instead of Arthur Morton. Interesting.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

delightfully, remarkably smutty in that inimitable ‘70s manner. Casual nudity, serial monogamy, self pleasuring and crypto-incest... all this and Goldsmith too.

All true, and I'll also point out the "fudge topping" that got laid over the top: paranormal experience, a hot-hot topic in the mid-70's (as I recall it, anyway).

 
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