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 Posted:   May 18, 2022 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   sr-miller   (Member)

Esa-Pekka Salonen and the Los Angeles Philharmonic: Death Hunt




Salonen's Prestissimo tempo, similar to Stromberg's on Battle of Neretva, blurs the details to such an extent (in my ears) that it's hard to hear what's going on. Gerhardt's RCA recording is much more listenable to me.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2022 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Gerhardt wowed everybody with that curtain raiser from a film that few of us had even heard of. But I was even more impressed when I heard it live at the NY Philharmonic under John Williams. The sheer weight of the orchestral sound in a big hall is something that no home system can reproduce.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Brilliant, Intrada! Thank you very much for another VERY exciting Kickstarter project! Can't wait to chip in.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Salonen's Prestissimo tempo, similar to Stromberg's on Battle of Neretva, blurs the details to such an extent (in my ears) that it's hard to hear what's going on. Gerhardt's RCA recording is much more listenable to me.

I love Salonen - but he takes it about half a beat too fast for me. Gerhardt's is not only more on tempo for me but the recording quality of that series is without peer. Some of the best film score recordings I've ever heard.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

How many original score has THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH besides the cantata?

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

How many original score has THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH besides the cantata?

No much. Main Titles; a chase scene through an Arab market; a suspense piece or two for scenes where Stewart is trying to locate the kidnappers; a brief comic tag to the scene with the wrong "Albert Hall." I'm sure someone has a more precise breakdown.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I guffaw every time I see the last scene of TMHKTM in the hotel room with their friends waiting for hours. "Sorry we're late everybody, we had to stop and pick up our son."

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

How many original score has THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH besides the cantata?

No much. Main Titles; a chase scene through an Arab market; a suspense piece or two for scenes where Stewart is trying to locate the kidnappers; a brief comic tag to the scene with the wrong "Albert Hall." I'm sure someone has a more precise breakdown.


Don’t forget there’s apparently four minutes of unused material that will be appearing on this album, going by Doug’s announcement. It’s been a long time since I last saw MWKTM (and I don’t really consider it amongst my favorite Hitchcock films), but I also don’t recall much music in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2022 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Don’t forget there’s apparently four minutes of unused material that will be appearing on this album, going by Doug’s announcement.

Midi recreation of a cue that was shortened in the final film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-rMACwNL_4

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2022 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Tony J   (Member)

How many original score has THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH besides the cantata?

No much. Main Titles; a chase scene through an Arab market; a suspense piece or two for scenes where Stewart is trying to locate the kidnappers; a brief comic tag to the scene with the wrong "Albert Hall." I'm sure someone has a more precise breakdown.


Don’t forget there’s apparently four minutes of unused material that will be appearing on this album, going by Doug’s announcement. It’s been a long time since I last saw MWKTM (and I don’t really consider it amongst my favorite Hitchcock films), but I also don’t recall much music in the film.


I think Lukas said some years ago before Dial M for Murder was announced as the title for Intrada's kickstarter campaign that there was around 22 minutes or so of Hermann score in The Man Who Knew Too Much. Am I misremembering but don't the original tracks of Hermann's score exist, although have never been released?

Change of subject: Will we ever see a complete re-recording of Hermann's The Devil and Daniel Webster score?

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2022 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Change of subject: Will we ever see a complete re-recording of Hermann's The Devil and Daniel Webster score?

IIRC, Morgan & Stromberg were eager to record it, but when they went to examine the original manuscript, there were major problems, including Herrmann himself doing cutting and pasting and markups on the original when preparing the concert suite.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2022 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I think Lukas said some years ago before Dial M for Murder was announced as the title for Intrada's kickstarter campaign that there was around 22 minutes or so of Hermann score in The Man Who Knew Too Much. Am I misremembering but don't the original tracks of Hermann's score exist, although have never been released?

That’s what I gathered from Robert Harris over at Home Theater Forum (quoted with link in the thread below). Lukas even gave a breakdown of the cues that were preserved.

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143612&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm not sure any other Waxman re-recordings are likely after Tadlow's Taras Bulba apparently sold so poorly.

If Tadlow's excellent recording of Waxman's TARAS BULBA sold poorly, which is fairly well known golden age score with classical music crossover appeal, I don’t see how a re-recording of Friedhofer's JOAN OF ARC could ever hope to be anything but a loss of money, as both score and composer are less known.

I'm very excited for more Herrmann recordings though. I'm on board.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:10 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Cant believe TARAS BULBA sold so poorly..A shame...For me the best of all re recordings and one of the greatest scores in moviehistory.I say its as valuable..and high in quality as Prokofievs....Tchaikovskys...Stravinskys..Rimskys etc....its like a symphony.
The next one should have been PRINCE VALIANT...

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There is generally not a lot of money to be made from recording orchestral music (or most other music). CD sales have dropped 98% since their heyday, and streaming or download provide much less revenue. Most orchestral recordings of today could not recuperate their cost by themselves. Recordings that are made today mostly serve to promote the artist, concerts, etc. That used to be different. But there isn't money to recuperate through concerts and the like when you record classic film scores, so I guess kickstarter is the way to go. If you can pre-fund these recordings, you know you have a minimum base of "sales" covered.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

The very people who could help to turn things around keep harping on the side of negativity.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

CAPE FEAR and ON DANGEROUS GROUND?


or possibly just one of those combined with THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH?




Did Bernstein record Cape Fear in its entirety for the Scorcese remake?

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Did Bernstein record Cape Fear in its entirety for the Scorcese remake?

No. It's a pretty free adaptation, embellished by Bernstein, and even including some music from Herrmann's unused Torn Curtain.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

Did Bernstein record Cape Fear in its entirety for the Scorcese remake?

No. It's a pretty free adaptation, embellished by Bernstein, and even including some music from Herrmann's unused Torn Curtain.


Ah ok I didn't realise that. I have the Varese re-recording of Torn Curtain as well as Bernstein's 70s version but I never really got into that score.

 
 Posted:   May 29, 2022 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Doug says


The decision to go with these two scores was actually a consortium of minds here: Roger and i have talked about The Man Who Knew Too Much for many years, On Dangerous Ground is a favorite of William Stromberg's, and our contractor in Europe, Paul Talkington, is an amazing supporter of everything we do together. ODG is badly in need of a full length, state-of-the-art new recording. William and i talked at length about just what was involved in the scoring for TMWKTM, being a shorter score and as it it turned out - yayyy! - we discovered there is additional music that Herrmann wrote for the movie that was never used. So we started jumping at the thought of doing the 30-35 minutes of music Herrmann wrote for this Alfred Hitchcock movie, the last Herrmann/Hitchcock film score yet to be released. This now gave us a 45-minute score and one running just over a half hour, that would result in an incredibly exciting and well-packed album.

One of the cool tidbits that excites me, if not our audience, is that we'll be doing that spectacular "Death Hunt" in ODG with the scoring for full orchestra that includes eight French horns, six trombones, six trumpets... and two tubas! What a sound! And the solo viola d'amore will make for a beautifully haunting contrast. As to TMWKTM, that "Prelude is one masterful piece of brass and tympani-led excitement. With maestro Stromberg's expert knowledge of these two scores and his ability to get both passion and nuance from our players, this should be a really fantastic release to make Bernard Herrmann fans delirious! big grin

--Doug


http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=85125#p85125

 
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